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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Mickey'sGirl
I don't think the problem with double booking lies with the days out from check in that reservations can be made, but with the system as a whole...and unfortunately, I can not imagine how to solve that problem. Ignorant people will be ignorant people. Personally, I curse the day that the Dining Plan was born.
Jenn, I whole-heartedly agree... but it seems the problem has come to a head with the online system. I'm wondering if people were better before re: double-booking when they were actually calling and talking to a person who would question them on it, vs. being on an impersonal computer, and they just blow right through the pop-up that asks you if you really intend to have 2 meals at 2 places at the same time.
We have never had a problem, either, no matter the timeline... but I'm concerned that the online system will just ge worse with 180 days b/c people will be that much more unsure of what they want.
And I agree with you on the DDP... we weren't fans of it in December, although our palettes aren't as flexible as you & your guys' are, either. But I'm working on it!!
Blythe
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I cant believe they're going back to 180 days! I suprises me that people liked 180 days better then 90!
I'm almost positive that if you took a poll on the various message board the majority of people would pick 90 days!
We normally book our reservations far in advance so it's not all that important to me.
I just wonder if going to 90 days had something to do with seeing how the new computer system could handle it and now that everything is up an running without glitches they decided to go back to 180!
Melissa
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I can't believe the people I've talked to who say they hate the 90 day window because they can't get any places they like. Really, 90 or 180 doesn't make a difference at all. Why can't they understand that???
It's the system that's the problem, not the time span.
I love the 90 day window, and wish they would keep it. At least this change won't affect our trip in December.
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It really doesn't matter to us.
We book our trips well in advance, and I don't really have a better idea of where I want to eat at 90-days vs 180-days.
Either way, we'll plan and I'll be on-line at 6am sharp, hoping and praying for what we want.
I do wish they would stay with one or the other, it is the changing that will confuse people!
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by ibelieveindisneymagic
It really doesn't matter to us.
We book our trips well in advance, and I don't really have a better idea of where I want to eat at 90-days vs 180-days.
Either way, we'll plan and I'll be on-line at 6am sharp, hoping and praying for what we want.
I do wish they would stay with one or the other, it is the changing that will confuse people!
I totally agree! I'm an obsessive planner, so I guess I would prefer the 180 days. But, really, the time frame doesn't matter that much to me. Whether it's 90 days or 180 days, I'll have it planned out either way.
My biggest concern is how is Disney going to let people know about this? Are they going to send out an e-mail or letter to people who have trips booked? Thank goodness for Intercot! But what about those people who don't check forums and message boards? Switching from 90 days to 180 days will have a much bigger, and possibly more negative impact, on people who aren't aware of the change than it did when they switched from 180 days to 90 days. Those who don't know about the change are likely to wait until 90 days out, and might not find out that they're 3 months behind until they can't get any ADRs. I just hope Disney finds a way to get the word out to everyone!
Laura
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by ibelieveindisneymagic
It really doesn't matter to us.
We book our trips well in advance, and I don't really have a better idea of where I want to eat at 90-days vs 180-days.
I totally agree. we start making ADRs on our spreadsheet at home for fun wayyyy before 180 days. Even if it was 280 days would make no difference to us, just longer to get excited IMO.
What did get me angry was last visit at Artist point we saw plenty of tables lying empty because of no shows.If you were to slap a charge on people for not turning up, maybe you would get rid of these people messing everyone else around!
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I was going to say the same thing. I noticed last week that Le Chefs had a lot of empty tables after 7:30 so if you are trying to get a reservation, that might be the time. I couldn't understand why there were so many people waiting for their reservations to be called and walk ups were told there were no reservations available but there were empty tables everywhere at Le Chefs and Crystal Palace. We were even told when we checked in at Crystal Palace about 30 minutes early that they were way behind and asked if we were sure we wanted to check in and wait that long. I said yes. Then they called us in about 5 minutes ahead of others sitting there waiting. I was confused if they were so far behind how they came up with a table for us way ahead of our reservation time. Must have been a lot of double bookings that weren't cancelled. We were told they were "overbooked". I actually think you should have to give a credit card number to secure the reservation and if you don't cancel within a certain time period and don't show, it is charged. I know things happen at the last minute but more times than not, it is just a double booking that isn't cancelled.
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I like that park hours will come out earlier but I can't imagine knowing what I want to eat 180 days out - plus we don't get the dining plan but if it happens to be free dining we would. Will free dining promotions be known 180 days out so people can plan or will we just have to guess?
Also I would be really mad if I was one of the people whose 90 day window was October 27th. Now if I understand correctly everyone from 90 days to 180 days from October 27th will be able to book on that day..I'm glad our 90 day window opens October 5th!
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I hate the 180 Day window! Most of the time I never plan a trip more than 6 months out. So this leave people like me out in the cold when it comes to ADRs. I really don't see why Disney would switch back the same people who couldn't get what they wanted at the 90 day mark will have the same problems at the 180 day mark. All this does is punish people for not planning their trips 6 months out
Jeff (aka JPL)
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by JPL
I hate the 180 Day window!
Jeff, I do agree with your points. 180 days out is a long, long, long ways away to plan your "dining experiences."
I just hope that Disney does release their park schedules at least that far in advance, and then they keep to the schedules that they release! Can't tell you how many times they "revise" the schedules based on what, ahem, guests need/want.
I believe that the guests want 180 day ADR's like they want more and greater price increases...
Frank
DVC Owner
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I guess I am in the minority here but I am happy they are going back to the 180 day window. I almost always have my trips booked well in advance of that time frame. The past two years I have booked the bouceback deal for the next year. I am hoping they do another bouceback deal again. With the time frame I go by the time the 180 days opens up free dining hasn't been offered to the general public yet. This makes ADR's must easier to get.
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It comes down to a hope and a prayer to get the reservations that you want despite the timeline...I would love to be able to decide when I get there and what I am in the mood for at that given moment not 6 mths. out...
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by wdwnomad
I guess I am in the minority here but I am happy they are going back to the 180 day window. I almost always have my trips booked well in advance of that time frame.
I'm in the same minority. I'm that person that books the trip 6 or more months out and I already know where I want to eat when booking. I already knew where I wanted to eat for my upcoming September trip back in March, and had the hardest time getting the places I wanted and the times I wanted when I called on my 90-day mark--it was frustrating, more so because I never had to deal with that in the past (even with free dining).
I do understand I'm in the minority & not everyone knows (or just can't book ADRs) so far in advance. And I can see how maybe it isn't just the time-frame itself that blocks people out, but also those that make double (and triple) bookings to ensure they get somewhere (maybe it's a little from column A & a little from column B).
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by wdwnomad
I guess I am in the minority here but I am happy they are going back to the 180 day window. I almost always have my trips booked well in advance of that time frame. The past two years I have booked the bouceback deal for the next year. I am hoping they do another bouceback deal again. With the time frame I go by the time the 180 days opens up free dining hasn't been offered to the general public yet. This makes ADR's must easier to get.
I'm with you! However, I am a compulsive planner and we have our favorite places where we know we will want to have a meal.....our only problem is getting reservations at ohanas' ....our favorite place to eat and evidently others as well. I think the solution is for Disney to require a credit card when you book the reservation and if you do not show up then you card will be charged a fee...which should be large enough to discourage multiple reservations made for the same time. Although,the people who make multiples are usually inconsiderate in other ways as well.
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Maleficent's Dad
Jeff, I do agree with your points. 180 days out is a long, long, long ways away to plan your "dining experiences."
It's actually is a long long way out to plan a trip especially in this economy.
I know for me a a lot of things factor in when planning a trip.
- DVC Availabilty
- AP Room Rates
- Airfare Rates
- Time Off
- Special Events
- Annual pass expiration date
- Friends and Family
To name a few. These things rarely come together within the 180 day window.
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Sooooooooo, I'm gonna be there Dec. 5th. Am I now allowed to make reservations?
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All reservations should be subject to a $10 per person no show fee, secured by credit card deposit. no excuses, no exceptions.
I'm not in favor of a cancellation window/ fee because i don't want to make it like prison. it's vacation and you should be able to change your mind...and sometimes things happen you can't control. but you should also be responsible enough to call, go online, or walk up to a podium and cancel your reservation for someone else.
Double bookings are rampant and have been for years. And chances are 1 outta every 2 traveler who says "ohhh...i would never do that"...has in fact, done it.
I have no tolerance for this....how dare someone think they have a right to "flexibility" at the expense of anothers right to have the opportunity to experience the same services that they pay for as well.
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We've never even booked a WDW resort reservation 180 days out, let alone made our ADRs. Unfortunately our work schedules have never been conducive to planning vacation time that far in advance! The 90-day window suits us perfectly.
I just can't imagine that the park calendars that Disney will release at 180 days will have any level of stability or accuracy, which will be really frustrating....
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Aggie97
We've never even booked a WDW resort reservation 180 days out, let alone made our ADRs.
Our trip next month is the ONLY one that we booked more than 180 days out, and couldn't take advantage of booking right at 180 days. LOL
I thought I would hate the 90 days out, but it's really not too bad. I agree that the problem is the system.
Christi
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