EBay sellers promise expired FastPasses are key to shorter Disney park lines

[McGoofy]

Unfortunately, there is a scam for almost anything. Those who purchase these bogus/expired FP's should receive no pity and Disney security should escort the offenders out of the park.

Disney FP policy states that a FP is only valid on the DATE that it is issued. The return time serves as a guideline. There is no reasonable comparison between utilizing a FP after the printed return time(in compliance with Disney policy) and the attempt to use a fraudulant FP.

I agree. The user of the expired tickets, whether innocently or purposefully, is cheating the system as well. If expired tickets did not work when they were attempted to be used at a later date, I guarantee fraudulent sales would most likely come to a hault when that word got out!

[Von-Drake]

Disney FP policy states that a FP is only valid on the DATE that it is issued. The return time serves as a guideline. There is no reasonable comparison between utilizing a FP after the printed return time(in compliance with Disney policy) and the attempt to use a fraudulant FP.

I do not have one, but is it also noted in the FastPass policy that the printed return time is only a suggested guideline? If not than it is only an assumption that it is a guideline. It is a well known fact that CM's will not let you on the ride prior to the stamped time. Probably even after informing them the printed time is only a guideline and is not a hard fast requirement.
I am just sayin.... but since there is another thread already existing for this specific discussion no need to continue on this one...

[Disney Doll]

Makes E-Bay look bad to be condoning this kind of thing. I understand that E-bay wants to allow for the sale of expired tickets because I know there are serious collectors out there for every obscure thing, BUT they should make sellers be more clear about the expiration dates and should explicitly state that the tickets are for collectible purposes and cannot be used.

[DonaldDuck1117]

If this makes Disney start enforcing the RETURN TIME as well then I'm all for it. Those who show up past their return time screw up the whole system resulting in longer waits for both Fast Pass lines AND the stand by lines.

[caryrae]

I think they should just enforce the date and times on the FP. It is possible but probably wouldn't happen, that everyone who got a FP for a certain ride, held onto them til the end of the day there would be quite the FP line. I and I am sure most people can get to the ride within the hour on the FP. If I didn't make it either we get another FP for the ride or get in the stand-by line.

[MississippiDisneyFreak]

I just cannot believe that people would actually stoop to this

[BelleCiavo]

They're even selling Honey I Shrunk the Audience FPs.

[Seasonscraps]

They're even selling Honey I Shrunk the Audience FPs.

That's awsome

(in the shame on you for taking advantage/trying to beat the system way. )

[dizknee531]

The solution to the problem is so simple that I cannot believe WDW has not figured this out yet. You have to stick your park ticket to get a FP. The kiosk should load the FP on your park ticket and only print out a time for you to return (as it does now). When you get to the FP line, you insert your park ticket. At that time, the turn-style has your biometrics and park ticket. If you have a valid pass, it lets you in. Otherwise, you don't get access. Everyone can use the argument that "I could not make it back at the time it said", but that is too bad. You know the time when you go request it and you know the time frame when you have to get back to it. If you don't get there during that 1-hour window, you missed your FP opportunity.

This solves the sale of FP, it solves the issue of people taking an entire tour groups to one FP line, waiting for the exact time to load in another 500 cards, it stops people from using en expired FP, and makes it entirely fair to the rest of us there.

I guess the Imagineers never thought of that one. Maybe I should patent the idea and sell it to them. At least it is now documented publicly and I could patent it after they implement. Then I can get the royalties.

Love this idea!!!
It's such a shame it takes a few people to ruin it for everyone!!

[CaptSmee]

This is interesting...last vacation we had at WDW my brother was ill and we had to leave the parks and we had the same debate. I insisted we would have no problem using our fastpasses for the day we left the parks on a subsequent date because CM's never look that closely at the tickets.

[lilmick]

I'm going to defend both Walt Disney World and Ebay (I'm an Ebay PowerSeller...of clothing, not Fast Passes) and say that the people who are BUYING the tickets hold the key to ending this ridiculous and greedy situation. DON'T BUY FAST PASSES ON EBAY! Why would ANYONE even do this?!!! If there were no buyers, the swindlers on Ebay would have no reason to try to sell them and WDW wouldn't have to worry about people using them.

[garymacd]

"There's a sucker born every minute."

"This way to the egress, folks."

P.T. Barnum

[LauraleeH]

I can't believe people would waste their money on this! By the way, Disney DOES check fastpasses. Last time we were at AK, we got a fastpass for Expedition Everest, stood in the regular line, and by the time we got off the ride, it was basically time to redeem the fastpasses. Well, the guy wouldn't even let us get in line yet because we had 1 minute to go. There were 4 of us and we had to wait on the side for a full 60 seconds (Not a big deal) but then the CM let another family go because they only had two people. The other CM saw us waiting and asked why he did that, and he said, "It was just two people."
I agree that Disney (Like the rest of the world) can be a little unfair sometimes, but I'm not going to sell expired tickets on ebay, just because I think I could get away with it.

[Seasonscraps]

I can't believe people would waste their money on this! By the way, Disney DOES check fastpasses. Last time we were at AK, we got a fastpass for Expedition Everest, stood in the regular line, and by the time we got off the ride, it was basically time to redeem the fastpasses. Well, the guy wouldn't even let us get in line yet because we had 1 minute to go. There were 4 of us and we had to wait on the side for a full 60 seconds (Not a big deal) but then the CM let another family go because they only had two people. The other CM saw us waiting and asked why he did that, and he said, "It was just two people."
I agree that Disney (Like the rest of the world) can be a little unfair sometimes, but I'm not going to sell expired tickets on ebay, just because I think I could get away with it.

I have always heard the start time of the return window is strictly enforced. A similar thing happened to us with Soarin'.

It seems the end time is up for debate - I have seen posts saying they used FPs later in the day (well after the end time of the return window) and others saying they were accepted on later days of the vacation.

[disneyfan1124]

Let me get this straight...some nasty person goes up to the FP kiosk and gets a bunch of tix, not intending to use them-therefore reducing the number available to others for the day-then they try to sell them online? How else are they getting the tix? When we use FP, the CM always checks date/time, and then collects the pass! There is nothing to take home with us to sell on eBay--not that we would ever do such a horrid scheme! The whole thing is sick! What a shame...

[luvdiznee]

But this reminds me of a site that sells coupons for Las Vegas. Because after we came back from our trip, some friends of ours went and I kept telling them not to order these coupons, basically for "by 1 get 1 free" type food stuff, because it is in those "Vegas" magazines/booklets that are in each and every hotel lobby, including the airport. But they did and then after not only did they not even use them all but most of them were in those booklets. Oh well...

[Stickey]

To further clarify, Disney enforces the start time for a FP. The return window is not enforced, as long as you return in the same day.

Disney CM's often confirm this utilization of the FP return times as acceptable. Disney must periodically analyze FP useage and has likely determined that the current practice works.
Thus, returning after your FP window is not considered to be a violation of FP policy, dishonest, or fraudulant.

[Imagineer1981]

I'm sorry, I know that most CM's do like there job...I worked there long enough to know that most CMs just take the tickets and let you go...trust me I took them for 4 years, and I never looked at the date, just the time...mainly because CM's don't want confrontation with the guests. We were told to watch for this and that, but only CMs who were hardcore cared, generally half the CMs are college program and what do they care

[Young@Heart]

To further clarify, Disney enforces the start time for a FP. The return window is not enforced, as long as you return in the same day.

Disney CM's often confirm this utilization of the FP return times as acceptable. Disney must periodically analyze FP useage and has likely determined that the current practice works.
Thus, returning after your FP window is not considered to be a violation of FP policy, dishonest, or fraudulant.

Thank you for confirming this. We certainly don't make a practice of returning past the time of the FP window (on the same date), however it does happen now and then. I know last trip we got FP's for the Jungle Cruise and couldn't go b/c a huge storm started right before our return time. We waited it out in a gift shop, but after 45 min, we had to give up and make a run to the gate through the rain. I didn't want to miss our first ADR, so we came back after dinner, the rain had stopped, and we used our FP. The funny thing is, there was literally no one in line for this when we returned, but we had the FP's in my pocket, so I figured I might as well use them.