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And THIS, my dear INTERCOTTERS, is EXACTLY what Disney is worried about and EXACTLY why they need to step things up.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryeyes21
They're not dumb. They know they've been coasting for a number of years, because they've been largely unchallenged. IMO, they've been using this time to milk as much cash as possible out of WDW.
But that time has passed and, assuming the folks running the show have even the smallest clue, they'll have to react to HP.
I love your post. These are my feelings exactly. As I said before Universal has the equipment (superior hotels and superior attractions) but hasn't figured out how to use it yet. And I do agree with you about the small children. The park is more geared to preteens thur adults.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryeyes21
I still can't figure out how anyone can go to EVERY attraction in both parks in one day. We go during the off season and must take two days for both parks and that is still NOT hitting each attraction.
I am sure others have touched on this, but I don't think Disney will "lose" any attendance due to this. IOA will no doubt gain attendance, but I don't think that will correlate to Disney losing attendance.
Really the only impact I could see this having is that people will may drop a 4th or 5th day in the parks to hit up IOA to do the Potter land. So in that sense I guess it could have some potential impact, but IMO not enough to do much damage.
Disney freaked back when Uni was getting ready to open IOA because of the great attractions and themeing that they were putting into it (IOA is a really cool park by the by). So when they were building DAK, the beastly kingdom theme/idea was held at the gates, ready to be launched if IOA put a dent into Disney attendance.
IOA did not have the impact that they (Disney Mgmt) thought, so BK was put on the back burners. You can see the dragon in the entry way of DAK as well as the cave (that used to spout smoke) as part of the now defunct boat ride as things to tie in the animals of fantasy idea (AKA Beastly Kingdom).
So, I would look to WDI to have several sets of plans for the MK redesign (as well as some other big concepts). If HP land has a big impact, I would imagine that disney upper mgmt might throw some more money to WDI to let them do more to counteract. If HP land has a similar small impact that IOA had, I would look for them to stick to a more basic overhaul.
Exactly. Please see my post in the new resort thread in this forum. I address the same thing with regards to Deluxe resorts and the impact the Four Seasons will have. Disney needs to improve because for many people, they want more than pixie dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
And this, my dear Ian, is why TDO has lost its power in the grand scheme of things... Corporate knew they were sitting on there hands while Universal was building the most talked about ride in theme park business... That is why the Fantasyland make over is being done inspite of TDO, not because of it... And that, my friend, is why you will see Star Tours 2.0, Monsters Inc coaster/dark ride in DHS... IImagination 4.0.. And a new land in DAK (sooner than we all think)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ian
Honestly, we better. I mean, for the most part the parks have been substantively untouched in the last 10 years or so.
And yes ... before some Disney Defender comes along and tells me that they added 6 parades, 14 character meet and greets, 4 stage shows, and the Kim Possible thing ... I know. They also added Soarin', Mission: Space, Test Track, Expedition Everest, and Toy Story Mania.
But to add those attractions, they also closed Kitchen Kabaret, World of Motion, Horizons, and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire.
Net gain in attractions? 1.
I think starryeyes21 mentioned the biggest reason why we've yet to visit US. There's hardly anything there for small children. It wouldn't really be worth cutting into a Disney trip for us.
Was going to pipe in with my 2 cents, but... you put it as well as I could.Quote:
Originally Posted by NJGIRL
I have yet to go to Universal Florida, but have been to US Hollywood a lot of times.
Definately would break away from WDW for a day to go check it out now though.
But, WDW wont lose any $$$ from me. I will just spend more at Universal. :)
Well that's not universally true ( no pun intended ). The guy who spearheaded the Wizarding World project now works for Disney Imagineering. ( I forget his name, but it was in a report about Wizarding World )Quote:
Originally Posted by DizneyRox
I don't know about that. There's Seuss Landing, there's the whole area with the Curious george stuff. The Jurassic Park area has some kid friendly rides. I have taken my small children and we all had a great time. And this coming from a Disney fanatic here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVBs
Very well said. HP will draw people who never before had an interest in US and based on the above comments there are many who may like what they find.Quote:
Originally Posted by starryeyes21
This is a prevailing comment, "we may check it out once but Disney won't loose". If you break away from WDW for even just one day where you would have you normally spent on grounds that is lost revnue opportunity for Disney. Most people travel on a budget. If some of the funds from that budget are spent at US that is money not spent at WDW.Quote:
Originally Posted by mook3y
Just reading through this post there are a lot more poeple saying they may give US a try with HP than saying it's WDW or bust and this is on a discussion board where we have more DIsney addicts than average. Look at the buzz HP is drumming up on a Disney based web site, I can't imagine this not having an impact on Disney.
We have been taking my son since he was 18 months old and there is plenty to do for young kids I agree. Curious George and Jurassic Park I can't even tell you all the hours that we spent at those places. Kids love that stuff! I would not hesitate to take young kids there. They will have a great time! But I think the difference is Disney has 75% of their attractions geared toward families with young children and Universal has 75% of their attractions gearded toward families with preteens and up. That' is IMO where the two parks differ. Universal is not lacking in quality it just goes in a different direction. I think that is why every preteen and teen I know (and I am stresses that "I know") would rather spend more time in Universal than Disney.Quote:
Originally Posted by xipetotec
I see wishful thinking has taken hold here....
Harry Potter poses no threat to Disney (we went rounds about this before...so i won't get longwinded on it again)
Harry potter is big right now....as a movie has just come...
But let's face it: the picture fell behind gerbils this week....it will be forgotten in a month.
And then you have a year and a half (minimum) harry potter lull.
No movies, no merchandise, no new material.
Then they'll get alot more frenzy when the next movie comes out
...And then it will be forgotten again
What happens when there's no more movies?
It WILL be forgotten
We had this debate two years ago when the last book came out - it was big then. It has disappeared since. No merchandise, no TV, just a loyal fanbase that gets all excited when something NEW comes out.
Harry potter reminds me of Batmania...Spideymania....and LOTR mania.
Bigtime...but for a distinct period of time.
It will not live on...as much as the fans seem to think it will.
The closest thing to a Disney type phenomena has been star wars (star trek to a lesser extent)....and even those have no chance to the staying power of Mickey the Great.
Disney (and subsquently Disney Parks) hold the one game changing advantage.
And that is the they are perhaps the most iconic franchise in World Pop Culture from the 20th Century....and harry potter does not measure up.
And knowing that no significant business will be drawn away from WDW (notice i said "significant"....we all know there will be a "bump" - but we all know deep down that it is merely a "bump")....WDW will do what they want, spend what they want, and do it when they are good and ready to do it.
This changes nothing....the four seasons, actually, changes things for the better
I'm sure that Disney will greenlight a thing or two with harry potter in mind....but it will be far from necessitated by merely the existence of what's over at IOA.
But let's not argue...I have my stance...the potterheads have their's. I'm not discounting the size or dedication of the HP fans - but it's the scale of the franchise that is being blown out of porportion.
Let time and dollars decide (i'll confidently rest on that)
Say what you want but. . . .my normal ten day Disney vacation coming this February will be shortened to seven as a result of new rides at Universal. Disney can keep doing whatever they want but my dollars will be spent elsewhere if they do.
I disagree about the longevity of Harry Potter--not as a Potterhead, but as a former elementary school teacher who has seen the amazing hold that beloved children's books take on people's lives for decades and generations after they were written. But that's fine. As you said, time will tell.Quote:
But let's not argue...I have my stance...the potterheads have their's. I'm not discounting the size or dedication of the HP fans - but it's the scale of the franchise that is being blown out of porportion.
For me, the point is less "How long will Harry Potter mania, specifically, last?" and more "How many people will realize, after visiting US for HP, that they really enjoy the experience?" People don't have to come back year after year specifically for HP. As previous posters have noted, they may just as easily find they enjoy the hotels, the customer service, the restaurants, and other excellent rides in the park. I don't think it's as small as a battle between HP and Disney. I think it's the larger scale war or the entire Universal experience versus the entire Disney experience, and while I personally think Disney will always have the scales tipped heavily its way, US might be a strong enough contender to take a small but significant chunk, and THAT is what I think Disney should be concerned about. HP is going to get people through the US turnstiles, no question. If US can do what I'm sure its brass intends and keep them there, that becomes the issue.
Exactly. We've experienced the same thing. So far we've stayed at the Royal Pacific and the Hard Rock, both are incredible hotels with wonderful amenities and cast members. We are staying at the Portofino Bay club level for basically the price of Poly GV (rack.) In addition to how wonderful the hotels are I love fotl access, if IOA draws big crowds I see more and more people staying on site to enjoy that privilege. The food and the coffee are two more big draws, can't Disney find a sponsor that actually makes good coffee :shake: (looking forward to the Keurig coffee at PBH :cool:)Quote:
Originally Posted by starryeyes21
I do, however, still believe that Disney trains it's park cast members better, we've run into some real doozies at USO. Disney is definitely ahead in the "magic" department. Ultimately though, we're willing to forego a little magic for all we gain by staying on-site at USO.
I think many of you are blowing the potential impact of HP out of proportion. I won't rehash everything I said in my above post, but HP will have an impact no doubt, but one land (albeit an awesome looking land) in a park will not all of a sudden create a multi-day vacation destination to rival WDW. HP will boost IOA attendance, ESPECIALLY with the local crowd no doubt. However, as many have stated, I believe that this will just have a minimal impact on WDW attendance.
People aren't going to forgo a WDW trip to go see HP. They may add a day to check it out, or skip a day at one of the lesser parks (DHS comes to mind), to check it out.
Now, just as I say above, this WILL impact WDW, but IMO not in the apocolyptic way some think. Read my above post re: the opening of IOA vs DAK relating to beastly kingdom. I think you will see a similar approach w/ the MK upgrades. It will be a reactive measure. If HP blasts out of the gates and really hurts WDW attendance, you will see big announcements, more elaborate updates to MK and some of the other parks, etc,. in order to counter. If the update is less than expected (i.e. opening of IOA), you will see a trimmed down version of the same additions, upgrades, etc.
Time will tell I suppose.
Honestly...I hate to say it, but I almost want HP to score Disney a bit, because I want those upgrades, and if this is how we get them...well...Quote:
I think you will see a similar approach w/ the MK upgrades. It will be a reactive measure. If HP blasts out of the gates and really hurts WDW attendance, you will see big announcements, more elaborate updates to MK and some of the other parks, etc,. in order to counter. If the update is less than expected (i.e. opening of IOA), you will see a trimmed down version of the same additions, upgrades, etc.
You know I didn't want to say it but I agree! WDW has been notorious in the past for "trimming the budget" when it comes to new attractions or upgrades (exceptions being EE, ToT, etc.). I think a good kick in the pants is sometimes a good thing. Without competition, things can get too stale and comfortable. I think HP doing really good would be some nice incentive for WDW mgmt to kick it up a notch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meteora
All you have to do is take one look at Tokyo Disney Sea to see what can happen when you give WDI a large enough budget. I would LOVE to see a Fantasyland makeover on par w/ the level of quality at TDS. To be honest it looks like HP land is going to be up towards that standard, IMO WDW needs to step up to the plate and really go all out here.
Well I've *always* felt strongly that competition pushes both these parks to be bigger and better. I think if Universal had not come around, we might not have DHS or AK at all! With each place trying to one-up each other ( and other big parks in the area like Busch Gardens and SeaWorld ), it's ever more important for them to keep things fresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meteora
That being said, I agree and hope that HP is a huge hit so Disney comes back with something great too! I'll be happy to visit both :) :thumbsup: