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Carol
07-24-2011, 08:58 AM
By Jason Garcia, Orlando Sentinel
7:00 p.m. EDT, July 23, 2011

At the end of summer in 2008, Walt Disney World shut down the nightclubs that once made Pleasure Island an after-dark destination for more than a million people a year, saying it wanted to transform the adult-oriented district into a new venue more suitable for families with children.

Three years later, Disney has yet to realize that vision.

Five Pleasure Island clubs are still standing, but they are sealed up and dark, little more than elaborately themed, empty storefronts. Two others have been demolished, replaced only by a grass field walled off from pedestrians. Just one new restaurant has been added, though Disney says a clothing boutique will open later this summer.

Disney announced earlier this month that the new concept planned for the area — which would have converted Pleasure Island into an early-1900s-themed seaport dubbed "Hyperion Wharf" — has been postponed indefinitely. The concept appears unlikely to be revived.

The slow-moving makeover is the result, at least in part, of what many former Disney officials say has been a long-running debate within the company about how best to position Pleasure Island and whether adult-only entertainment fits with Disney's family-entertainment brand.

Disney acknowledges Pleasure Island's transformation has progressed more slowly than planned. But it notes it has been making many changes elsewhere in Downtown Disney, the broader retail area that includes Pleasure Island, from opening the dinosaur-themed T-Rex Cafe to adding tabletop dining to an existing AMC movie theater. The resort this month announced that Splitsville, a 50,000-square-foot "upscale entertainment center" with bowling, billiards, dancing and drinking, will begin construction in the fall.

The giant resort also says the club closings have not harmed Downtown Disney, saying guest ratings for the area remain "as high as ever" and that it "continues to experience financial growth." In addition to Pleasure Island, the 120-acre Downtown Disney complex includes Marketplace, a shopping area anchored by the World of Disney store, and West Side, headlined by Cirque du Soleil and DisneyQuest.

"As with any project of this size and scope, our plans have continued to grow and evolve over time as part of our creative process, and it has simply taken longer than we anticipated," Disney World spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez said. "We are committed to creating absolutely the best experience possible at Downtown Disney and are taking the time to look holistically at the entire property."

Long before it turned out the lights in the nightclubs, Disney knew it had to do something about Pleasure Island. Attendance at the venue, which opened in 1989, had been steadily declining for years. It lost business to competing nightspots, such as Universal Orlando's CityWalk and International Drive's Pointe Orlando, as well as to Disney's own theme parks as they extended their operating hours later into the night.

Already a low-margin business because of costs such as live bands and comedians, some of Pleasure Island's clubs began losing money.

The financial struggles added to what both current and former Disney officials say were long-held concerns among some top Disney executives that dancing- and drinking-fueled nightclubs undermined the company's reputation for wholesome family entertainment. One former Downtown Disney manager recalls being told by a supervisor: "You're always going to have to justify the existence of Pleasure Island."

Disney tried replacing poorly performing clubs with new venues one at a time, hoping that closing some of the clubs would make the remaining ones profitable. One of the biggest money losers, Pleasure Island Jazz Co., was converted to an Irish pub in 2005. But progress was slow, and resort executives opted to shutter all of the remaining nightclubs in September 2008.

"Given that closing the clubs would not have a material impact on our business, we saw no advantage to delaying the closures even as we were still planning for future experiences," Disney's Suarez said.

Disney has evaluated a host of proposals for the area in recent years, according to one former company official, from Yard House, a chain of sports grills, to a club aimed at young teenagers featuring Disney Channel franchises. The company initially had hoped Splitsville would be built on Pleasure Island.

The global credit crunch has likely hampered progress. Financing dried up for restaurant operators, who can spend as much as $8 million to $10 million to build at Downtown Disney.

At the same time, Marketplace and West Side have continued to perform well, easing pressure for an immediate Pleasure Island overhaul.

Analysts say there are risks to leaving Pleasure Island unfinished. Empty buildings are a waste of valuable real estate. And a lack of things to do on Pleasure Island could discourage some visitors from wandering through it to move between Marketplace and West Side — a half-mile walk, twice as long as the distance between anchors in a typical regional mall.

"It's a perception thing. You don't want to walk a couple of city blocks if there's nothing there," said David Marks, a real-estate consultant specializing in commercial development.

Disney has taken steps to maintain some energy on Pleasure Island and encourage foot traffic. The resort says it now stages as many as 63 outdoor acts a week throughout Downtown Disney, from singers to guitarists to people posing as statues, up significantly from before the clubs closed.

Representatives for vendors that remain on Pleasure Island — the Irish pub, a surf-wear shop, a cigar bar and a 2-year-old Central American-cuisine restaurant — all would not comment or did not respond to requests for comment. But Disney says the vendors recovered quickly from the initial shock of the nightclub closings and are growing again.

The loss of the Pleasure Island clubs — and the lack of replacements — has frustrated some of Disney World's biggest fans. They say the changes have robbed the resort of one of its only options for visitors looking for something to do after dark.

"There are a lot of families that manage to go out at night. There are a lot of singles that go to Disney, boyfriends and girlfriends, husbands and wives without children. There are a massive number of conventioneers," said Bob Kraus, founder of a blog dubbed "Save Pleasure Island." "And there are very few options currently available for someone looking for nightlife."

Melanie
07-24-2011, 09:38 AM
This is disappointing. I thought the concept art released for this area looked great. Seems like it will take forever to get it 'settled' and fully revived again.

PopPhan
07-24-2011, 05:03 PM
Disney tried replacing poorly performing clubs with new venues one at a time, hoping that closing some of the clubs would make the remaining ones profitable. One of the biggest money losers, Pleasure Island Jazz Co., was converted to an Irish pub in 2005. But progress was slow, and resort executives opted to shutter all of the remaining nightclubs in September 2008.

Nothing like using a sledgehammer to drive in a pushpin!! Long term solution to a short term problem!!

faline
07-24-2011, 05:46 PM
I've been disappointed in what has been accomplished there. In February, we chose not to walk further that the beginning of Pleasure Island. In May, we did walk through but it was a quick one and I saw little that would make me linger any place!

Tinkerfreak
07-24-2011, 07:17 PM
I wish they had kept a few clubs open for wdw guests. My kids are finally old enough to stay in the hotel room at night for a few hours while DH and I go out on our own and we were looking forward to going to pleasure island. When we were there in January it was sad to see everything closed up. I have heard alot about the Adventurers Club and really wish we could have experienced it.:(

iceicebritney
07-24-2011, 08:00 PM
Thanks for posting that Carol.

I'm hopeful that the slow changes will give Disney a chance to reevaluate their plans.

I strongly feel there needs to be a night time entertainment option for adults that is separate from the resorts and parks, but remains on property and provides resort transportation.

Aurora
07-25-2011, 02:35 PM
Universal's City Walk has something Disney does not: two theme parks right next door. At park closing time, foot traffic through City Walk is practically required.

There seems to be so much second-guessing and hand-wringing at Disney these days and things just stagnate. I understand why, with the economy moving so slowly and with so much at stake, but they really need someone with true leadership vision to get things off the ground.

Thankfully the new Fantasyland plans seem to have been changed for the better, and the Art of Animation building is finally taking shape after so many years of neglect. Let's hope they can get creative with Pleasure Island.

Ian
07-25-2011, 03:53 PM
Yet another example of the bureaucratic nightmare WDW has become ... how do you shut something down before you have any clue what you're going to do with it??

I can't believe that Disney's leadership is okay with what amount to abandoned buildings as a part of their resort. That's just pathetic.

mdricks
07-25-2011, 04:20 PM
The answer is two words in the article itself

"Losing money"

KylesMom
07-25-2011, 11:24 PM
The slow-moving makeover is the result, at least in part, of what many former Disney officials say has been a long-running debate within the company about how best to position Pleasure Island and whether adult-only entertainment fits with Disney's family-entertainment brand.
Well, "adult-only entertainment" is clearly being pushed over to Epcot on the weekends with the shuttering of Pleasure Island. We saw an incredible amount of the would-be clientele taking full advantage of Epcot the past two Saturday evenings - and it was shocking to us, as we didn't see this last July. Disney needs to figure out SOMETHING to entertain their younger visitors who are interested in drinking and carousing, or they are going to totally alienate their core market. We really enjoy the ambiance (and beverages) of Epcot after dark, but the display of drunken & disorderly was clearly over the top on 7/16 and 7/23. I even had a conversation with a UK CM who was trying to cut off several offensive groups prior to dark and Illuminations about how the ambiance of World Showcase was disturbing. We didn't venture into the Pleasure Island area during the days we were at DTD (2), but it's a real shame that no one is taking stock of what's transferring to the parks. Adult-only entertainment & family entertainment both need to be catered to, especially with the courting of wedding parties, Disney fans coming of age, CP CMs and such - I just hope Disney figures out something soon to make all sectors happy while keeping the parks family-friendly at night! :(


"There are a lot of families that manage to go out at night. There are a lot of singles that go to Disney, boyfriends and girlfriends, husbands and wives without children. There are a massive number of conventioneers," said Bob Kraus, founder of a blog dubbed "Save Pleasure Island." "And there are very few options currently available for someone looking for nightlife."
BINGO!

Ian
07-26-2011, 09:30 AM
Carol, I totally agree with you on the excessive drinking at Epcot. We saw numerous groups of young adults who had clearly consumed too much alcohol and were acting out in a way that wasn't really appropriate for a family environment.

ryca1dreams
07-26-2011, 09:39 AM
By Jason Garcia, Orlando Sentinel
7:00 p.m. EDT, July 23, 2011

At the end of summer in 2008, Walt Disney World shut down the nightclubs that once made Pleasure Island an after-dark destination for more than a million people a year, saying it wanted to transform the adult-oriented district into a new venue more suitable for families with children.



The term "adult-oriented district" just sounds sleazy to me. Disney's idea of "adult' seemed pretty good with places like Adventurer's CLub. you know somewhere adults could go be adults in a non-threatening environment. If you want to get stupid, you can always go to Orlando. Disney should capitalize on their creativity and hurry this up.

mommad
07-26-2011, 10:31 AM
I too saw this 'adult behavior' the last time I was in Epcot and needless to say I was less than amused by it. You can be an adult and have a drink or two without getting downright drunk and making a fool of yourself. Hopefully they'll come up with some sort of solution soon because I'd hate to have to explain to my child while people were acting like that when all we were wanting to do was see Illuminations.

BWayGrl
07-26-2011, 12:39 PM
I don't know...if I'm going to Disney World, I'm not going bowling or playing pool. I can do that at home. My brother and I were discussing this, and we feel like the Downtown Disney area is becoming more of a place that would appeal to locals. I feel like there's nothing unique anymore. It's all shopping and dining.

I miss the clubs :-(

Aurora
07-26-2011, 12:42 PM
I don't know...if I'm going to Disney World, I'm not going bowling or playing pool. I can do that at home. My brother and I were discussing this, and we feel like the Downtown Disney area is becoming more of a place that would appeal to locals.

:ditto:

Joannelet
07-27-2011, 10:53 AM
I am wondering where the CP Cm's go to hang out now? Our night to party for free admission at PI was Thursdays...does the company do anything like this anymore for the CP'ers? We always had a great time there and didn't bother anyone (this was also when there was an admission into PI before that whole downfall).
But yes I too saw it in Epcot. I didn't see it there this last time I was there...it was too dang hot out to drink I think but when I was there in December when my son was 1...my father and my hubby and I were on line for Test Track and we were appalled at this young couple that was obliterated and couldn't even stand up they were so drunk. I was shocked and was wondering if they were even going to be let on the ride as they were clearly intoxicated. I was so upset when they were allowed to ride. It was VERY clear to everyone as they were falling all over the people around them and literally passing out standing up. It was horrendous. There is just a time and place for seeing that kind of behavior and family theme parks is NOT one of them. They definitely need to have SOMEWHERE else for the drinkers to go and to be. Anywhere where my young son isn't would be great.

Bucs300
07-31-2011, 03:58 PM
Living very close to Orlando my friends and I used to frequent Pleasure Island pretty much every single weekend when it was still open. Now weeknights and Sunday were usually fairly dead, but every Friday and Saturday always seemed to be very crowded, lots of people buying tickets to get in and lots of people spending money on alcohol. I never understood how it lost money because bartenders barely get paid anything anyways, they work on mostly tips, but I guess things weren't that great or they wouldn't have closed it.

I sure do miss it though! :cry:

tink88
08-05-2011, 06:23 PM
So many great memories there. The Adventurers Club was such great fun. Whenever we went it was always packed with vacationers and locals alike - all having a good time. The last Disney trip we were staying at POR and we took the boat over one afternoon - how depressing! It is sad that Disney still hasn't done something with this once vibrant place. And I agree, bowling!? There is a Spiltsville in Tampa and I have heard it is fun, but come on - we can bowl anywhere. Perhaps when the economy gets better Disney will get something done. In the mean time we aren't walking thought again - too much of a bummer. As for Epcot, I haven't seen the drunkenness but it makes sense since Downtown is so lame. We do still enjoy House of Blues upon occasion though.

Crow
08-07-2011, 02:06 AM
PI started goin down when they opened it to everyone..this was the 1 area that adults had to go. I know that WDW is family, but some did like an escape for a short time.
now it is an area to walk to get from one side to another. I walked thru it last trip, but didnt stop.

goofygirl67
08-07-2011, 10:34 AM
I always walk through it now, not stopping because there is nothing there that interests me anymore. I loved the Adventurers club and miss it. If I stop now-adays it's only to catch the boat ride to OKW.

CajunDisneyDad
08-09-2011, 01:50 PM
I never had a chance to experience PI, by the time I made my first trip to the world, it was shuttered... I do agree with most of the posters about the drunken stupidity that goes on in Epcot. I used to work in a casino (when I was in college) and we were trained to cut people off when they clearly had enough... Seems like in epcot, as long as they have money, they can buy. Our last trip it got so bad, we just decided it would be best not to go after dark to Epcot...which is a shame because it is my favorite park. I understand drinking the world is a tradition over there...but getting drunk under the table is un called for...but then again, as long as it is bringing in money, Disney doesnt say anything...God forbid it loose money...see PI for example

iceicebritney
08-09-2011, 02:12 PM
I agree. The parks are no place for that kind of behavior:(

January-2007
08-13-2011, 04:50 PM
We miss the Comedy Warehouse.