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Dixie Springs
04-10-2008, 05:41 PM
I can't believe this hasn't been cut & pasted here from the Sentinel yet. If it has been somewhere, forgive me - I couldn't find it...



Disney's VIP passes for bigwigs raise ethical questions
Scott Powers | Sentinel Staff Writer
April 10, 2008

Walt Disney World is offering politicians and other VIPs special passes that let them cut in line at popular rides such as Soarin' in Epcot and Expedition Everest in Disney's Animal Kingdom.

The unrestricted, all-day "FastPasses" are for elected officials or other "high-profile guests" who don't want to worry about logistical or security problems they might face while waiting in long lines, but who don't want a tour guide.

Spokeswoman Kim Prunty acknowledged that the passes were created for officials who are high-ranking enough in state, federal or even international affairs to travel with entourages -- officials for whom a long line could be more than an inconvenience. She said the passes are available to such officials and those traveling with them, but on a very limited basis determined case-by-case by Disney's government-affairs office. That is the same department that runs Disney World's lobbying efforts.

Disney maintains that the passes have no monetary value and so are not restricted by government ethics laws and do not have to be reported either as gifts to public officials or as a lobbying expense.

Prunty would not identify any of the people who have gotten the passes, nor would she talk about specific officials who might want them.

The practice of handing out the special passes is raising eyebrows among government-ethics watchdogs, who expressed concern that it might provide Disney -- which routinely lobbies state and federal government officials -- a way to offer a feel-good service just for politicians.

"It clearly is a perk," said Ben Wilcox, executive director of Common Cause of Florida.

Disney's government-affairs office first started providing the passes last fall. A couple of weeks ago, to alleviate any possible confusion, Disney World circulated a memo advising employees to recognize and honor the passes.

The memo, made available in part to the Orlando Sentinel, calls the passes "unique" and states that no more than 25 are in circulation on any given day.

Shannon McAleavey, Disney World's senior vice president of public affairs, which oversees government affairs, deferred all comments to the company's public relations staff.

Prunty compared the passes with the assistance airlines provide high-profile travelers to speed them through busy airports.

"We find that our very high-profile guests travel with a large group -- many times with a security detail -- that have the potential to disrupt the experience of our other guests; these passes help alleviate that," she explained. "We also have heard from security teams traveling with these high-profile guests that they would prefer they not be in the midst of large crowds or in any one place for an extended period of time."

Disney World's regular FastPass system, introduced in 1999, offers all visitors a chance to avoid some of the longest lines in its theme parks. A visitor who arrives at a FastPass-eligible attraction early enough in the day can obtain a FastPass ticket from a designated kiosk; the ticket is stamped with a time when the visitor may return and enter a special FastPass queue instead of the main, public queue.

At some attractions -- such as Soarin', Expedition Everest, Space Mountain in Magic Kingdom and Tower of Terror in Disney's Hollywood Studios -- wait times routinely exceed an hour and can top two hours.

The FastPasses distributed by Disney's government-affairs office are better than a regular FastPass because they are good at all FastPass rides, all day long. Ordinary FastPasses are printed in limited numbers, and supplies can run out before midday.

Gift- and lobbyist-reporting laws for public officials vary among local, state and federal governments and their branches. The Florida Legislature, for example, specifically allows its members to receive "priority for obtaining services where there is an established queue."

But several ethics experts told the Sentinel that, on other governmental levels and in other branches, rulings from specific ethics committees would probably be needed if anyone wanted to determine for sure whether line-jumping passes such as Disney's have any reportable value.

"It's a novel issue," said Kerrie Stillman, a spokeswoman for the Florida Ethics Commission.

Disney World did not formally seek any ethics rulings but did seek opinions from a variety of legal experts in the field, said Jacquee Polak, another Disney spokeswoman.

Wilcox suggested that, even without any legal problems, the idea of unlimited line-cutting in plain view of the public might prompt many officials to think twice before using such passes.

"If you're standing in line and you see your senator moving up to the head of the line, I don't know if that's going to look very good," he said.

SeaWorld and other Busch Entertainment Corp. theme parks in Orlando do not offer any such passes, and they do not offer line-jumping privileges to anyone, spokeswoman Becca Bides said.

Universal Orlando once had its own FastPass system, which it called an "Express Pass," but in 2006 the company stopped offering it for free. Now, visitors to Universal Studios or Islands of Adventure can buy "Universal Express" passes to get into shorter, express lines throughout the parks -- at prices ranging from $19.99 to $50.99.

Because those passes are available for sale, "We do not offer them to elected officials," Universal spokesman Tom Schroder stated in an e-mail.

Jasper
04-10-2008, 05:48 PM
They have been doing this for many years without any kind of "pass." We were at WDW in the early 80's when Former President Jimmy Carter and his wife were there and on two occasions we saw them get escorted to the front of the line, once at the Haunted Mansion and once at It's a Small World. In both cases they were taken in through the exit. So I don't really see this as anything different other than to make an already existing policy more formal.

GrumpyFan
04-10-2008, 06:30 PM
I understand the possible "ethical" issue, but it's not like they're sending them out to all VIPs and Elected officials, so it's not really considered a gift. It's just a policy that's been made public.

It could be argued too that it's a safety concern for both the VIPs and the regular guests. At any rate, it's a minor issue, as most VIPs probably wouldn't take advantage of it, for fear of not wanting to start a mob scene in the first place.

TheRustyScupper
04-10-2008, 07:21 PM
It is simple . . .

You want a no-fly zone to stop advertising? . . .
. . . give out some hotel room comp's

You want a better tax deal? . . .
. . . give out some Fast Passes

You want FCC favorable action for ABC?
. . . comp a few dinners

You want the SEC to look the other way?
. . . give a tour guide and front-of-line tour


1) Boy this really sounds critical!
2) But, each of the favors above did happen.
3) Now, the only question is what cash/perks were given.

wdw_bound
04-10-2008, 07:40 PM
I don't have a problem with this, although I may be in the minority here. My place of employment has been visited by many, many politicians over the years, including former Presidents (and once a sitting one), congresspeople, state and local officials and other public figures. Virtually none of them travel without a security detail, one which typically does not take the convenience of others into account. When a VP came to town, entire stretches of main roads were shut down for hours.

If these people are visiting WDW, whether for official or personal reasons, it could be a logistical nightmare. While there may be some discussion on the fairness of the special treatment, I'd soon let them go to the front of the line than have the line shut down for quite some time to allow the VIPs to enjoy the attraction according the the rules of their security detail.

I never realized WDW was a no-fly zone until our last trip, when I spotted a couple of planes (possibly military?) over the course of a few nights, and my first reaction was - oh, no, the real world is trying to intrude on my happy place. It left me hoping that things would go back to no-fly :mickey:

magicofdisney
04-11-2008, 12:40 AM
I never realized WDW was a no-fly zone until our last trip, when I spotted a couple of planes (possibly military?) over the course of a few nights, and my first reaction was - oh, no, the real world is trying to intrude on my happy place. It left me hoping that things would go back to no-fly :mickey:

At first I thought TRS was joking. Then I read this and began thinking, I don't typically see (or hear) planes overhead. But on occasion I've seen a few sky writers. How did they get through?

Zone Stop
04-11-2008, 07:05 AM
magicofdisney, they don't actually fly over Disney property.

I also totally agree with this for VIPs who don't want to drag a VIP Tour Guide with their entourage all day. For some people, being openly in public and waiting in regular lines is simply infeasible.

Ian
04-11-2008, 07:24 AM
Sorry ... this is just a typical "Slantinel" article trying to stir up trouble and heat for Disney.

The VIP passes are for logistical and practicality purposes only. As Zone Stop said, it's just not feasible to have VIP's and celebrities walking around the theme parks. They would be mobbed, unable to enjoy themselves, and the parks would be mass chaos.

c&d
04-11-2008, 09:43 AM
I really don't have a problem with this. They are not giving out a lot of them everyday, 25 to cover all the parks. If that changed and they were giving out 100's or 1000's a day I'd probably be upset.

I think sometimes the security of certain people is more important than me waiting an extra 5 mins. in line.

kbean
04-11-2008, 10:03 AM
Whatever, how often are you gonna run into someone high ranking at disney. I can understand the safety and all, but it should only be for the official and their family, not entourage that they mention.

WDWdriver
04-11-2008, 10:20 AM
As the others have said, there isn't much new about this. The VIP all-day fastpass is new, as far as it being something visitors can carry themselves and show to the CM at the Fastpass entrance. This relieves Disney from having to assign a Guest Relations CM to the VIP to escort them through Fastpass.

Many VIPs can still get an escort if they request one. Last week we had a Saudi royal family escorted directly onto the ride along with their large entourage and security detail. It would have been a mess to have them waiting in the regular queue. And we got not a single complaint from other guests.

Some celebrities prefer to keep a low profile, and move through the parks without an escort. This VIP Fastpass allows them to do that. It's always amusing to watch guests suddenly realize that they are on the same ride vehicle as Celine Dion or some other celebrity visitor.

thrillme
04-11-2008, 03:41 PM
Unfortunately I don't necessarily like it but I don't think there's much of a choice because of all the "regular" people that want to get their picture taken with Brad Pitt and Angelina instead of just leaving them alone and letting them enjoy the park with their family.

Politicians. Good Grief. I honestly don't think I'd "recognize" George Bush or any other political type when I'm at Disney...my mind just isn't there...but...don't get between me and "the BEAST".

UNFORTUNATELY...there are many MORE people that would want to get their "2 cents" in about an issue or show the world that they stood by the "Pitt's". That even with Fast Passes these people would probably NEVER get to ride anything.

One time at the Las Vegas airport I ran into one of the guys from ZZ Top (for those of you who are old enough to remember them when they were really big...they really stood out in a crowd...). When I say I RAN into him I mean I RAN smack dab into his chest and didn't even "click". Just pardon'd myself for being clumsy and walked off. He even turned and looked back at me oddly because I didn't click. After that a couple of people came up to me all excited and TOLD me who I ran into. It was THEN that I "clicked". I'm just not good at recognizing people off camera.

Kenny1113
04-11-2008, 03:47 PM
I agree this is nothing new and I'm positive Disney is not the only place that does this. I was however disappointed with their answer I heard on our local news about the passes not having monitary value and therefore not an ethical issue.

TheRustyScupper
04-11-2008, 04:12 PM
. . . I don't typically see (or hear) planes overhead. But on occasion I've seen a few sky writers. How did they get through? . . .

1) The no-fly zone is for any air traffic below 3,000 feet.
2) Above that is fine.
3) Lower altitudes are actually off-property.
4) But, they can be viewed from on-property.

NOTE: You do see choppers occasionally. These are permitted by Disney. They are usually Disney execs coming or going. Disney got the no-fly zone to stop planes/helicopters/balloons from sightseeing over head or skywriting. Disney is th ONLY amusement park in the USA to have a no-fly zone.

sillyolbear
04-11-2008, 04:52 PM
Doesn't bother nor surprise me. The issuing of most of these probably makes the day at the parks more magical for the average guest.

tundramom
04-12-2008, 11:54 PM
"We also have heard from security teams traveling with these high-profile guests that they would prefer they not be in the midst of large crowds or in any one place for an extended period of time."

:stop::rotfl::silly::huh::shrug: Doesn't anyone else find this portion of the statement to be a complete oxymoron? :doh: it's WDW!

murphy1
04-14-2008, 10:14 AM
Yes, it has been in place for awhile like everyone said. I don't have a problem with it either. These people have enough to deal with w/o people gawking at them. Especially if they have little kids with them. This is just one of those "perks" that comes with the position. A lot of people on here have seen my '84 pic of Michael Jackson (I know, not a political person), he was in his regular garb with a full entourage, which struck me funny b/c he wore disguises so many times back then in public.

brownie
04-14-2008, 01:37 PM
Not giving the passes out could also cause problems for those people waiting in line in addition to security and other issues for the "VIP." I see no problems with this. The only thing new about it is probably the actual issuing of a special fast pass.

DisneyFanaticDargon
04-14-2008, 02:00 PM
They do this already with high-profile celebrities how is it any different with politicians? Think about it from their perspective: they don't want to be swamped for pictures or autographs when enjoying their time at the parks. More so for politicians who are at risk for being harassed by people who do not support them. I think it's a perfectly rational idea to have them whisked through attractions as quickly as possible so they can get in and out without being mobbed.

murphy1
04-14-2008, 02:49 PM
I still remember when Princess Diana took Will and Harry back in the 90's, I got caught behind their motorcade. I was working and trying to get to an appt in Orlando from Tampa, that was a pain.

Gooftroop5
04-16-2008, 08:32 AM
I have to agree with everyone. Its not a big deal & personally rather have them just go do the fastpass then tie up the lines or even close some of the lines down so they could just get into the ride. As long as Disney isn't giving them free tickets into the park what does it matter.

I live in a small community & we've had the streets shut down when Hillary was first Lady & came to give a speech. Since she became State Senator she has come to the State Fair with Bill. I've been there when she has been there & you would never know it. I've also been there when the Govenor was there. I almost literally ran into him. I didn't realize until after I passed him that who it was. (I was busy with the kids)The real reason other than I did recognize him was everyone following him were wearing suits while he was wearing slacks & 3 button shirt. Dh & I got a chuckle out of it.

I rather not know that someone was at Disney either. It would only distract from my time. It not only people wanting photos bothering them it also ties up the lines from people wanting the photo op with them or trying to talk to them for the rest of us who really don't care to bother them.

Mickey91
04-16-2008, 09:34 AM
I honestly think it is the best way for everyone. I wouldn't like if the ride was off limits. Celebrities and such wouldn't be safe if they had to walk the parks and stand in line like everyone else. I guess if we don't like it, we can figure out a way to be famous and we can have one too!:mickey:

garymacd
04-21-2008, 11:20 AM
magicofdisney, they don't actually fly over Disney property.

I also totally agree with this for VIPs who don't want to drag a VIP Tour Guide with their entourage all day. For some people, being openly in public and waiting in regular lines is simply infeasible.

Not only unfeasible, but possibly dangerous, not only for the person this is to protect, but also for those in the area. Can you imagine the crowding around Johnny Depp when he takes his kids to the park? Why can't he and others just enjoy the park like any other family? Obviously, this is not possible for him.

As KBean said, it should be only for the VIP and family, not for his or her hairdresser and childhood acquaintance that has now become best friend. Maybe they should limit the size the same way they do the wheelchair passes at MK.

I can see where this would be a problem for many high profile politicians an public figures. Everyone is concerned about ethics (no snide comments from me), but the alternative for someone like your president is to sit home and do nothing for fear of being mauled, attacked or accused of favouritism and cronyism. It's a lose-lose situation for him.

Jasper
04-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Does anyone know when the no-fly zone started at Disney World?

I remember that during the 9-11 attacks the people in Washington said they had information that high profile places like Disney World might be attacked. So in response to that they either started the no-fly zone or expanded but I can't remember which it was.

Mackflava99
04-21-2008, 12:07 PM
There are some guests who dont like to make a fuss and will wait in line-
ut in the case of someone like a president or any high ranking official- I am ok with it- Though i am not ok with their press secratarry tagging along for the ride-