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Dracula766
09-11-2007, 04:59 PM
...this time at Disney World

Disney Retaliates, Forces Another Cancellation

Machine Head Press Release

In a not-so-stunning move, The Walt Disney Company have once again pressured promoter Live Nation into canceling Machine Head's performance at a House of Blues venue on Disney property, this time in Orlando, a mere four days after the band's previous announcement called out the corporation for their underhanded tactics regarding the cancellation of Friday's House of Blues Anaheim show on 2 days notice.

While no one is willing to provide evidence that would prove unfavorable to Disney, sources close to events have suggested that once again, vague threats of liability, and now threats on job security may have been levied, successfully resulting in the show being moved off of Disney property.

As a result, the September 17th show has now been relocated to Club Firestone in Orlando, FL (located at 578 N. Orange Ave). All existing tickets will be redeemable for entry at Club Firestone, all Will Call pickups will now be available for pickup at the new venue, and all refund requests will be honored.

As they are not on Disney property and therefore not subject to the corporation's alleged coercionary tactics, the Dallas, New Orleans, Cleveland and Chicago House of Blues shows will go on as scheduled.

On behalf of all four bands on the bill, Machine Head wish to again extend their gratitude to Live Nation and the House of Blues for their poise and tolerance during these absurd developments.

and here's the previous post
http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=114927

I'm honestly not very familiar with Machinehead but I have a real problem with this. I've been to a couple of shows at HOB at WDW. I've even scheduled trips so that I could catch a particular band there. It's a great venue for rock & metal bands to play and its a shame that Disney would do this.

Ian
09-12-2007, 11:55 AM
I don't get it ... why'd they cancel the Anaheim show in the first place? They don't like the band?

If that's the case, why book them at all?

This story sounds completely bogus. Sounds like Machine Head has sour grapes about something.

Marker
09-12-2007, 12:28 PM
This is just one side of the story.
Enough said.

TheRustyScupper
09-12-2007, 12:38 PM
This is just one side of the story.
Enough said.

1) I am not so sure enough has been said.
2) The bands are not that bad.
3) Not all Disney-sponsored people and events are "tame".
4) I think it is wrong to cancel the bands.

Dracula766
09-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Here is where I posted the previous story

http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=114927

Apparently Disney doesn't want metal bands playing on their property in the future.

If you look at pollstar to see all upcoming shows at HoB Orlando, at least one third of those are metal bands.
So I'm guessing they just aren't going to allow metal shows to be booked from now on.

I really don't want to have to rent a car on my next trip just so that I can go to a show that should have been at HoB. :mad:

PirateLover
09-12-2007, 05:04 PM
This is happening all over the country with House of Blues locations. I know the one in AC doesn't really book metal/hard rock acts anymore because of the certain "element" they attract. But the HoB there is in a casino, so it makes more sense that they don't want heavy metal kids traipsing through there establishment.

As far as Machinehead goes, they are a pretty good band. I've seen them twice, my boyfriend has all of their albums. They do curse in their songs and in their act, they drink on stage. But I've never seen a riot or anything break out. We may not ever know the true reason, but I think that if House of Blues doesn't want these acts they need to cancel them much further in advance or just stop booking them altogether. It really is disrespectful to the band and their fans to cancel with such little notice.

meldan98
09-12-2007, 06:47 PM
Yet, they'll let Britney do a 15 minute comeback lip sink wearing practially nothing....

Ian
09-12-2007, 07:29 PM
Yet, they'll let Britney do a 15 minute comeback lip sink wearing practially nothing....That was MTV, not Disney? :confused:

mermaidmarian
09-12-2007, 07:59 PM
That was MTV, not Disney? :confused:

It was both. Britney did one of her 15 minute "shows" earlier this summer at the HOB in Orlando.

Grizz16
09-12-2007, 10:49 PM
Considering Disney doesn't own the House of Blues, they shouldn't be able to cancel anything. They can't expect the HoB to have Hannah Montana-type musical acts there. If there's no bands there that people want to see, they will go elsewhere and the House of Blues possibly would have to close due to bad attendance.

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Although I will say.....the Dir en Grey concert that performed at HOB in February was absolutely amazing.

And it was certainly not family-friendly. But whoever pointed out that Disney does not own HOB was correct, since it's not owned, just partnered with Disney for that select location. Just as is all the shops on WestSide - the only three Disney stores on that side owned by them including DQ. So Disney shouldn't have any opinion on the matter.

I just hope they don't cancel Nightwish in November. A

Although on Sunday nights, the club is more like a rave, ladies drink free until midnight, and they have pole-dancers so I really don't see much of a difference.

seanyred
09-13-2007, 09:38 AM
I find this very strange...I'm a fan of metal music so I am familiar with Machine Head. It does not make that much sense to me since I know in the past they have had bands like Slayer (a metal band with satanic overtones in their lyrics)play at HOB. So it just seems very hyporcritical.

BrerSchultzy
09-13-2007, 09:45 AM
Here is where I posted the previous story

http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=114927

Apparently Disney doesn't want metal bands playing on their property in the future.

If you look at pollstar to see all upcoming shows at HoB Orlando, at least one third of those are metal bands.
So I'm guessing they just aren't going to allow metal shows to be booked from now on.

I really don't want to have to rent a car on my next trip just so that I can go to a show that should have been at HoB. :mad:

First of all, Disney has no real control over what House of Blues does. That's part of the deal. It was originally written into the contract so that they could keep the Gospel Brunch, but it protects all bands and events at HoB.

Second, I think this post proves one thing: Machinehead is generating publicity for themselves. If HoB Orlando has "one-third" metal bands playing, and NONE of them have been canceled, then it sounds to me that Machinehead did something to get the gigs canceled (didn't honor a certain part of the contract or whatever), and is now jumping on Disney, in hopes for publicity and/or money.

P.S. I saw this at the BOTTOM of the press release issued by the promoter...the very bottom, after TWO PAGES of ranting and raving. Quote: "Strangely, all other Black Tyranny dates at House Of Blues venues on Disney property will remain unaffected."

Marker
09-13-2007, 10:24 AM
4) I think it is wrong to cancel the bands.

I'd say that it depends on the reason, and depends on the contract.


Considering Disney doesn't own the House of Blues, they shouldn't be able to cancel anything.

But it's on Disney Property, and I would be extemely surprised if Disney didn't retain the right to refuse acts in their contract.


To me, the thing here is we DON'T KNOW the reason the shows were canceled. Folks like to get worked up regardless of the the facts (or lack of facts), especially when it involves a corporate giant and we can just assume they're being evil. Doesn't seem worth the energy to me to get worked up over assumptions. Just because it's a major corporation doesn't mean they're in the wrong simply by default.

Guess the theory there is "Innocent until proven guilty, unless your earnings are above $xx, then you're just wrong regardless, especially if you're Disney". :crazy:

DisneyOtaku
09-13-2007, 11:05 AM
Although I will say.....the Dir en Grey concert that performed at HOB in February was absolutely amazing.

WOW, Dir en Grey was there?!?! How did I miss this information?! :confused:

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Oh yeah, they played February 2, 2007. And I mean, if that show wasn't canceled, with Kyo fishhooking and cutting himself onstage, cussing, spitting, I don't see why Machinehead would be canceled. I'm agreeing that it was something on the bands side, rather than Disney's interference.

Much love to DeG.

Wolf
09-13-2007, 04:56 PM
:jaw::jaw: O_O Dir en grey played in disney and I missed it??? :sob: Wow any idea if they are going to come back anytime? I'd absolutely love to see them!


Although I will say.....the Dir en Grey concert that performed at HOB in February was absolutely amazing.

And it was certainly not family-friendly. But whoever pointed out that Disney does not own HOB was correct, since it's not owned, just partnered with Disney for that select location. Just as is all the shops on WestSide - the only three Disney stores on that side owned by them including DQ. So Disney shouldn't have any opinion on the matter.

I just hope they don't cancel Nightwish in November. A

Although on Sunday nights, the club is more like a rave, ladies drink free until midnight, and they have pole-dancers so I really don't see much of a difference.

SteveL
09-13-2007, 10:02 PM
Oh yeah, they played February 2, 2007. And I mean, if that show wasn't canceled, with Kyo fishhooking and cutting himself onstage, cussing, spitting, I don't see why Machinehead would be canceled.
Much love to DeG.

Jeepers, sounds like it was quite a show. Sorry I missed that one.

Wolf
09-14-2007, 12:41 AM
Yeah Steve they are this awesome heavy rockin Japanese group. I had no idea they did shows in America outside of L.A. I sure hope they decide to do a show in January when I'm there!

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-14-2007, 12:16 PM
Glad to know I am not the only J-Rock fan on here. I'm not sure if DeG will be playing another tour this year or not because it was for their newest album release. But if they play anywhere in Fla, I'll be there.

WEDTOPIA
09-14-2007, 11:04 PM
Great publicity for Machine Head. And as usual , Disney gets skewered for being " out of touch " and dictatorial.

Isn't it possible that Disney had a very good reason for cancelling the show ? Perhaps the band forced their hand. Especially a one day notice. You're definately not getting all the story here , and the metal heads are having a field day with it.

From a personal point of view , I don't mind Disney being selective with their choice of bands that play inside WDW or any other Disney property. I know they don't own House of Blues , but they certainly retain the right to deny acts that don't comply with basic standards of decency. Wouldn't most of you agree that their has to be a limitation on how much " anti-establishment " activity creeps inside Disney borders ? It is still , foremost , a family friendly destination. Downtown Disney doesn't have to get that " adult " .

Walt is probably flipping at 100 rpm's.

Polynesian Dweller
09-15-2007, 12:54 AM
Great publicity for Machine Head. And as usual , Disney gets skewered for being " out of touch " and dictatorial.

Isn't it possible that Disney had a very good reason for cancelling the show ? Perhaps the band forced their hand. Especially a one day notice. You're definately not getting all the story here , and the metal heads are having a field day with it.

Well said.

The most interesting thing here is that this is a press release from the band. That hardly makes it an unbiased reporting of the situation. And no where does it actually state why the concert was cancelled. Without that, and from an independent source, how can one evaluate the situation properly. Certainly it can't be automatically presumed that Disney did anything wrong here (or maybe anything, it could have been HOB alone for all we know, or not) without better information.

Grizz16
09-15-2007, 05:46 PM
But it's on Disney Property, and I would be extemely surprised if Disney didn't retain the right to refuse acts in their contract.
Doesn't matter. If there isn't chronic
or habitual police visits to the HOB, Disney should have no right to restrict their business. Disney can't expect them to have solely Disney-type musical acts there.

Scar
09-15-2007, 09:23 PM
But it's on Disney Property, and I would be extemely surprised if Disney didn't retain the right to refuse acts in their contract.
Doesn't matter. If there isn't chronic
or habitual police visits to the HOB, Disney should have no right to restrict their business. Disney can't expect them to have solely Disney-type musical acts there.What?!?!? Of course it matters. I have no idea what the contract says, but, If it does say that Disney can refuse acts, then they have the right.

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-16-2007, 12:41 AM
I'm pretty sure the contract doesn't say anything like that because again, HOB is an independant company operating on Disney property. It's a participating partner, and Disney most likely only gets a fair share of royalties/percentage of sales.

Have any of you been to HOB on Sunday nights? The concert hall turns into a rave/club and they have pole dancers. That I think is more disgusting than a few bits of cussing because it shows the objectification of women. Another point I would say is too look up any of Dir en Grey's videos, and tell me that is worse than anything Machinehead can throw at Disney.

Disney hasn't said anything about it, all the media is coming from the band so they can say whatever they want and I doubt Disney is even concerned with it because.....they don't own HOB.

Marker
09-17-2007, 12:06 PM
Disney should have no right to restrict their business.


I'm pretty sure the contract doesn't say anything like that ...

Have you actually seen the contract, or are these assurtions based solely on speculation? Using "should" and "pretty sure" are not exactly indications of any know facts.

Speaking of facts, I have yet to hear any report of why the concerts were cancelled, and exactly who did the cancelling. Yet even with no factual confirmation of wrong doing, many are quick to assume so.

PirateLover
09-17-2007, 07:09 PM
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I know for a FACT that House of Blues shows in Atlantic City have indeed been affected by the Showboat Casino in which it resides. I have a friends who actually works there. They have the right to refuse acts. Apparently they had a really terrible time of it when Gwar played last year....
So I would think that Disney probably has a similar right. Again I am a fan of Machinehead and can't for the life of me figure out why Disney wouldn't want them but allow some of the other acts to go on but I wish I could see something from the other side.