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There is also a difference between "I'm building a meth lab in my hotel room" and, according to him: "I could have built a meth lab in the length of time it’s taken you guys to answer my question."
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Originally Posted by TheVBs
While I understand the argument that a lifetime ban for flippant comment made in jest in a frustrating situation seems like overkill, you have to remember that this particular comment obligated WDW CMs to report and investigate the situation, with police, in the middle of the night. That's beyond just forgiving a flippant comment. Not to mention, how much disturbance and concern did this cause other guests? And, I would still say it's a safe bet that this guy isn't telling the whole story.
Oh come now. They don't obligate the minimum wage staff to do anything. i've reported all kinds of craziness when I've stayed there, and nothing happened. Purely random and too bad for this guy.
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There has to be more to this story if there was a full on police raid at midnight.
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Originally Posted by texas211
Oh come now. They don't obligate the minimum wage staff to do anything. i've reported all kinds of craziness when I've stayed there, and nothing happened. Purely random and too bad for this guy.
Aww. Well, I'm sorry your reports on other people's craziness weren't addressed. But, as pointed out, something that requires the police to be called in clearly is something the CMs are expected to report. Of course they have expected obligations, probably more so than most other places. But that's okay, we can agree to disagree.
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Originally Posted by BrerGnat
There has to be more to this story if there was a full on police raid at midnight.
Agreed! I far as I know we have only heard his side of this and there could be a huge amount of backstory to this that hasn't been released.
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I guess that alert is directed in part to me; so noted. Nothing more to say.
Oddly, in 20 years this is the most extensively I've ever debated anything on the internet (which is saying something, since I know EVERYTHING :-)) and I don't really like the guy who made the comment (or meth labs, either, for the record - and meth, not much at all).
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Originally Posted by Mendelson
I guess that alert is directed in part to me; so noted. Nothing more to say.
Oddly, in 20 years this is the most extensively I've ever debated anything on the internet (which is saying something, since I know EVERYTHING :-)) and I don't really like the guy who made the comment (or meth labs, either, for the record - and meth, not much at all).
Usually they are directed toward me LOL... but I've been unnaturally quiet...
Anyway, I thought the new rallying cry of Americans is "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY???"
If he thought before he spoke, instead of suffering from diarrhea of the mouth, he wouldn't be banned today... Nope, don't feel bad for dolts...
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Originally Posted by Mendelson
There is also a difference between "I'm building a meth lab in my hotel room" and, according to him: "I could have built a meth lab in the length of time it’s taken you guys to answer my question."
My point exactly. We've only heard one side of the story.
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Ok, I have to ask, how exactly does Disney enforce a ban? I mean sure it is easy enough to prevent him from staying at one of their hotels, but keeping him out of the park is kind of tough if he stays off property. It's not like Disney security has a wall with pictures of people not to let into the park.
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Originally Posted by Speedy1998
Ok, I have to ask, how exactly does Disney enforce a ban? I mean sure it is easy enough to prevent him from staying at one of their hotels, but keeping him out of the park is kind of tough if he stays off property. It's not like Disney security has a wall with pictures of people not to let into the park.
Actually, with the new MagicBands and biometric scans, it would not be that difficult to flag someone as banned from the parks. Those scan records do not just go away, they are on file, probably, for years. So, if this person, or anyone "banned" went to scan their band and finger to get into a park, it would be easy to flag them -- red light (or another "special" color) on the Mickey head.
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Originally Posted by PopPhan
Those scan records do not just go away, they are on file, probably, for years.
Disney previously claimed that the biometric finger scan data is deleted after 30 days. Is that no longer true?
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However Disney identifies an individual with a do not trespass warning is not the point. If an attempt is made to enter Disney property after being issued a trespass warning it would be construed as intent to UNLAWFULLY trespass, meaning, in real terms, that the person entered the property "with stealth" OR with intent to commit a crime. The legal consequences in Florida or such an action include arrest and a stiff fine. It just isn't worth the risk for a spin in a teacup!
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Originally Posted by Tekneek
Disney previously claimed that the biometric finger scan data is deleted after 30 days. Is that no longer true?
I honestly do not know, but figured since you can reuse MagicBands indefinitely, they would keep your biometrics on file. Otherwise, how is anyone to know if you were the original recipient of the MagicBand -- specially when related to annual passes? (Rhetorical question.)
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Originally Posted by PopPhan
I honestly do not know, but figured since you can reuse MagicBands indefinitely, they would keep your biometrics on file. Otherwise, how is anyone to know if you were the original recipient of the MagicBand -- specially when related to annual passes? (Rhetorical question.)
It is supposed to be 30 days from ticket expiration.
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Originally Posted by Mendelson
I guess that alert is directed in part to me; so noted. Nothing more to say.
Oddly, in 20 years this is the most extensively I've ever debated anything on the internet (which is saying something, since I know EVERYTHING :-)) and I don't really like the guy who made the comment (or meth labs, either, for the record - and meth, not much at all).
They were forced to act At least you didn't provide instructions on how to setup a meth lab..
I don't know what you said as I'm too lazy to look back.
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I think Disney over reacted. If they checked his room and found no sign of drugs or a lab then IMO a life time ban was over the top. The drunk people at the Food and Wine festival are more of a threat to the public safety and Disney has no problem with them at all.
And comparing this guy to a person making a bomb threat on a plane is totally different IMO. This guy may have been a jerk but was obviously reacting in anger and not really going to make a meth lab in the room.
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Originally Posted by NJGIRL
I think Disney over reacted. If they checked his room and found no sign of drugs or a lab then IMO a life time ban was over the top. The drunk people at the Food and Wine festival are more of a threat to the public safety and Disney has no problem with them at all.
And comparing this guy to a person making a bomb threat on a plane is totally different IMO. This guy may have been a jerk but was obviously reacting in anger and not really going to make a meth lab in the room.
This was not this man's first run in with Disney security. He was apparently flagged as a problem guest for previous issues. This was likely strike three.
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