DVC Contemporary Resort

[BW Fan]

Does anyone have any information as to the building of a DVC resrot at the Contemporary Resort? I saw pictures where they were tearing down the garden wings for new constructions and assumed it to be for DVC villas. I haven't seen any posts on this, so any information will be helpful.

[WDWfanatic742]

Nothing has been released officially about the new tower that is supposed to have DVC units.

[MartyS]

Pics of the construction site of the "not a DVC resort" are can be found at the WDW park update for Oct 9 on [another site]. As much $$$ as that old wing of CR made, you KNOW that it wouldn't just be an empty space for long. Looks like the new construction is moving right along.

[DisneyGiant]

Pics of the construction site of the "not a DVC resort" are can be found at the WDW park update for Oct 9 on [another site]. As much $$$ as that old wing of CR made, you KNOW that it wouldn't just be an empty space for long. Looks like the new construction is moving right along.

Thanks for that web reference. That Hawaii resort looks awesome! And the "not-a-DVC"
photos were interesting as well.

C'mon - its got to be a new DVC location!!!! Can you imagine how fast those points would sell?

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

If I might add, I don't think it's likely it would be DVC. I mean, Disney has officially announced two other locations that haven't begun development or construction yet. But the CR which already is having the foundation and structuring being built, hasn't? That's extremely odd, isn't it?

Also, if Disney really was wanting to sell more points, why waste the time and money to market locations such as California and Hawai'i first instead of CR? It would be unreasonable from a marketing perspective to do that.

Personally, I think Disney realized that a building that is over 30 years old needs to be updated. So they can't work on the main building ever because the monorail runs through it, so they can really only work the two smaller ones.

But, I could be wrong. What do I know?

[Horizon93]

If I might add, I don't think it's likely it would be DVC. I mean, Disney has officially announced two other locations that haven't begun development or construction yet. But the CR which already is having the foundation and structuring being built, hasn't? That's extremely odd, isn't it?

Also, if Disney really was wanting to sell more points, why waste the time and money to market locations such as California and Hawai'i first instead of CR? It would be unreasonable from a marketing perspective to do that.

Personally, I think Disney realized that a building that is over 30 years old needs to be updated. So they can't work on the main building ever because the monorail runs through it, so they can really only work the two smaller ones.

But, I could be wrong. What do I know?

They actually have worked on the main building. All of the rooms have been renovated and there are many changes happening in the Grand Concourse.

I believe that there is every chance that the new building will be a "mixed use resort" like the new Grand Californian Villas and the Hawaii project will be. Meaning that the resort will have regular resort rooms and DVC vacation villas.
DVC has neither confirmaed nor denied that DVC at the CR is happening. With SSR close to selling out and AKV selling well, this could be true. They likely won't announce anything until SSR is completely sold and Kidani construction is well underway. Let's keep in mind that Disney has made no announcement of any kind regarding the construction on the former site of the north wing.

With the tremendous growth inDVC membership, they will need to offer more properties at WDW over time. A DVC resort on the monorail would be a huge seller.

We will have to wait and see.

[DVC Mike]

I believe that there is every chance that the new building will be a "mixed use resort" like the new Grand Californian Villas and the Hawaii project will be. Meaning that the resort will have regular resort rooms and DVC vacation villas.
DVC has neither confirmaed nor denied that DVC at the CR is happening. With SSR close to selling out and AKV selling well, this could be true. They likely won't announce anything until SSR is completely sold and Kidani construction is well underway. Let's keep in mind that Disney has made no announcement of any kind regarding the construction on the former site of the north wing.

I agree with Horizon93. Why would Disney not make any announcement regarding the construction at the CR? The best answer I've heard is they don't want to slow down current DVC sales at SSR and AKV.

[lockedoutlogic]

Since everyone is so messmerized by that silly castle and train....why on earth would they announce anything there?

They would not sell any units at AKV...and they sure as heck wouldn't sell what's left at Saratoga (my "home"...which i'm not likely to go home to)....

Selling 3 at WDW at one time would be completely silly....one location would quickly become the leftovers....

think about it...

[Horizon93]

Exactly. That is my point as well. They will likely wait until SSR is sold out. I would imagine that the cost per point will be higher than AKV as well. The point values per night will also be likely higher than existing resorts.

I will take my AKV any day over CRV. If I were to add on a second resort, it would likely be BWV as DW and i spend far more time in Epcot than at MK.

[DVC Mike]

I think CRV will be a big seller for two reasons:

• Location! You can walk to the MK or take the monorail to MK or Epcot.
• Views! Imagine the MK view rooms.

I'm ready to buy...

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

They actually have worked on the main building. All of the rooms have been renovated and there are many changes happening in the Grand Concourse.

Oh I know they renovated them, but it's not like they can restructure the entire building.

To me, it just seems like.....it's not adding up.

Even if they did announce a CR DVC unit, it would most likely sell out. And then with being able to point out that a monorail resort will be used for DVC could probably finish off AKV and SSR.

I never said I was right or wrong (or anyone else), it's just not adding up to me.

[lockedoutlogic]

Exactly. That is my point as well. They will likely wait until SSR is sold out. I would imagine that the cost per point will be higher than AKV as well. The point values per night will also be likely higher than existing resorts.

I will take my AKV any day over CRV. If I were to add on a second resort, it would likely be BWV as DW and i spend far more time in Epcot than at MK.

Whole heartedly agree...

My guess is that by the time they sell any DVC at Contemp...the price per point will be upwards of 120 per...they will attempt to sell at least 75% of AKV (which is a heck of an amount of contracts) before they breath anything of a Contemp location....

I also think that the point cost per night will be much higher than any other current location. Why shouldn't it? People will jump at every available room no matter what time of year they're going....I'm guessing that the studio would be somewhere between 16-18 per night (Sun-Thurs) in Value season....just a guess

They may also do what they have stated they're doing at Grand Californian: all 2 bedroom DVC units.....
...they could certainly get away with it on the monorail line...and those buying Contemp would end up purchasing 400 points+ a year just to pay for their normal WDW travel...where as 160 would get you alot at OKW, SSR, or even AKV...

They also just might be planning on building new North/South wings as part of the existing resort....it's possible...the contemp is still usually cram packed and could definitely sell more rooms....

The only thing I can say is this:

Went by on the monorail about 3 weeks ago...and there is no doubt that the design is the crescent moon shape pointed toward Bay Lake as was leaked on an architect's website a year or two ago....there is no question.

And the demo and ground work permit app filed with Reedy Creek last Spring has "contemporary timeshare" all throughout....

But we don't know what that exactly means....and the footings that they have in place now don't look like a massive foundation....but I didn't see them doing the pilings so I can't say for sure....

It's possible that we may be getting basically a replacement of the old north wing....not a 15 story timeshare Mecca....

I guess we'll see....


Oh...and I agree that I don't really want to go anywhere near it either...

AKV, Beach Club Villas, and VWL are much more attractive to me for a variety of reasons....

I can only hope that this new monstrosity will pull alot of traffic away from the "old" locations I just mentioned and they fall by the wayside....

And by that...I mean "fall onto my confirmation letter"

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

Okay so let's say that they *are* making a DVC....

With how quickly it's being pulled together, it will probably be completed sometime within....what? Maybe 2 years or less?

If AKV sells anything like SSR, then the CR DVC resort will be completed before they sell most of the AKV contracts. So if they are wanting to wait to announce it until they sell the majority of AKV, then they will have a completed resort sitting there, not being used and losing money.

Unless they realize that as well, and decide to announce it anyways, regardless of how much SSR and AKV have sold. But then, that would bring back other points that others mentioned about having 3 DVC resorts selling at the same time. Which, given how long it took between planning and opening for SSR and AKV, this is most likely going to be the case if they did do a CR DVC.

And yes, I've seen the 72-page permit letter as well. And yes, they can keep a lot of the same ideas and concepts for construction. However, the key word in the entire thing was "Proposed DVC Resort." So it can still go either way. Not that it matters since we'll probably never stay there cause we like Wilderness, Beach and Boardwalk the best.

[sillyolbear]

I could have dreamed this, but could another reason there has been no CR announcement be Florida real estate regulations?

Fact or not, I remember being told that companies offering timeshare property could only have a certain number of potential shares being actively marketed at any given time. If that is the case, they may have to wait to sell a certain percentage of AKL units before they can offer another resort.

Again, could be all bunk but what I was told once. I'm sure someone will be along who knows for sure.

[lockedoutlogic]

Okay so let's say that they *are* making a DVC....

With how quickly it's being pulled together, it will probably be completed sometime within....what? Maybe 2 years or less?

If AKV sells anything like SSR, then the CR DVC resort will be completed before they sell most of the AKV contracts. So if they are wanting to wait to announce it until they sell the majority of AKV, then they will have a completed resort sitting there, not being used and losing money.

Unless they realize that as well, and decide to announce it anyways, regardless of how much SSR and AKV have sold. But then, that would bring back other points that others mentioned about having 3 DVC resorts selling at the same time. Which, given how long it took between planning and opening for SSR and AKV, this is most likely going to be the case if they did do a CR DVC.

And yes, I've seen the 72-page permit letter as well. And yes, they can keep a lot of the same ideas and concepts for construction. However, the key word in the entire thing was "Proposed DVC Resort." So it can still go either way. Not that it matters since we'll probably never stay there cause we like Wilderness, Beach and Boardwalk the best.

I think I agree with everything you said...except the how long would it take question...

2 years? Disney couldn't build an outhouse in 2 years...it takes 3-4 for a modest ride to be built...

Look at Saratoga....they've been building there for 4 years...and that one wasn't even done from scratch....all the groundwork and utility issues were constructed long before a single DVC unit went up....It took them about 3 to build Wilderness and Beach Club Villas....and those are very small units.....

Disney is many things...but they are not ignorant with marketing and sales....
To sell a monorail/ magic kingdom view DVC with others on the table already would completely undermine the existing for sale locations....

And let me be clear on this: Animal Kindgom lodge has and always will be a difficult sale...

It's awesome...and shouldn't be difficult to move....but people are pretty stupid when it comes to this place...americans at least...

[Horizon93]

I think I agree with everything you said...except the how long would it take question...

2 years? Disney couldn't build an outhouse in 2 years...it takes 3-4 for a modest ride to be built...

Look at Saratoga....they've been building there for 4 years...and that one wasn't even done from scratch....all the groundwork and utility issues were constructed long before a single DVC unit went up....It took them about 3 to build Wilderness and Beach Club Villas....and those are very small units.....

Disney is many things...but they are not ignorant with marketing and sales....
To sell a monorail/ magic kingdom view DVC with others on the table already would completely undermine the existing for sale locations....

And let me be clear on this: Animal Kindgom lodge has and always will be a difficult sale...

It's awesome...and shouldn't be difficult to move....but people are pretty stupid when it comes to this place...americans at least...

I agree that it is further out than 2 years. I don't know how AKV is presently selling (it is my home resort), but I can see a big marketing push coming for AKV. The theming is incredible, the rooms are stunning to see and it will be appealing to many. Transportation reports are all good to all parks. And there is something to be said for getting away from it all after a long day in the parks.

Once SSR is sold and AKV is well on its way, DVC will want another WDW resort to sell. They can set the CRV per point cost higher than AKV, set the dues a little higher as well. That would make sense if the concern is that CTV would slow AKV sales. Believe it or not, some will still prefer AKV. The key is not to announce anything until the time is right. If it is not going to have DVC villas, it would be in DVC's best interest to announce that as there are people waiting to buy in so that they can buy the rumored CRV. Shut down that rumor forever and sales of SSR, AKV and the 2057 OKW would increase.

They have made no such announcement, Hmmmmm.

[J.T.Toad]

Last week I had I great conversation with a Monorail Pilot and this is what he told me.

Management has instructed me not to discuss the construction of the new tower with the public. If asked I am only to say that Disney is adding additional rooms to the Contemporary Resort.

This is what I am thinking. If Disney were only adding additional guest rooms to the CR then why haven't they announced it? What harm could it cause?

It’s only a matter of time before the rooms are added and the construction photos are leaked, then we will all know for sure.

JT

[Horizon93]

I agree. If all that is was was the adding of additional rooms to the CR, there would be no need for management to instruct anyone not to say anything. I still predict mixed use.

[Ian]

I could have dreamed this, but could another reason there has been no CR announcement be Florida real estate regulations?

I think you're right on the money. Our DVC rep told us as much when we were buying. There's certain rules governing how far in advance you can put out notice for new timeshares and how early you can sell them.

It can't be any more than like 18 months before they're ready for occupancy or something like that.

And let me be clear on this: Animal Kindgom lodge has and always will be a difficult sale...

It's awesome...and shouldn't be difficult to move....but people are pretty stupid when it comes to this place...americans at least...

This is sort of an odd comment to make? I mean your opinion is that it's awesome and (apparently) if other people don't agree with you then we're just "stupid Americans"?

That seems like a relatively narrow-minded viewpoint, if you ask me. I'll tell you ... I stayed there and I had many legitimate issues with the place. I don't like where it's located on the property, I didn't at all care for the resort layout, and I thought the rooms felt too small for a deluxe resort.

Not sure what, if anything, that has to do with me being American??

And as far as it's being "beautiful", isn't that just a matter of taste? I mean some people may find it too rustic for their tastes, right?

[lockedoutlogic]

I think you're right on the money. Our DVC rep told us as much when we were buying. There's certain rules governing how far in advance you can put out notice for new timeshares and how early you can sell them.

It can't be any more than like 18 months before they're ready for occupancy or something like that.

This is sort of an odd comment to make? I mean your opinion is that it's awesome and (apparently) if other people don't agree with you then we're just "stupid Americans"?

That seems like a relatively narrow-minded viewpoint, if you ask me. I'll tell you ... I stayed there and I had many legitimate issues with the place. I don't like where it's located on the property, I didn't at all care for the resort layout, and I thought the rooms felt too small for a deluxe resort.

Not sure what, if anything, that has to do with me being American??

And as far as it's being "beautiful", isn't that just a matter of taste? I mean some people may find it too rustic for their tastes, right?

If you're deducing that I am...
A. Not an American
B. Anti-American

Then you are lost on the other side of town...

I'm very american...but of the kind that doesn't think we've reached the pinnacle of life on earth just yet and could use a good deal of improvement both as individuals and a society...
So i'm measured, inquisitive, and skeptical...as all americans should be (that is in my opinion...of course)

My point is that AKL has always been tough for disney to sell...that is not an opinion (learned from the trenches)

Many things can be considered causes of this...the area (though every area is distant from some guest area) and the dislike of animals are probably the two most cited reasons...and two most valid.

But something else doesn't add up...animal kingdom is much better than wilderness lodge or the poly as far as what they offer to the guest...
...but you have to beat people away from those places...

Something else doesn't add up...and never has with AKL...

My contention is that it has to do with preconceptions and the generally polarized nature of WDW patrons....that is an opinion.

take it with a grain of salt...

And contemporary villas...if in fact they are...is well over two years away....they are going to have to complete the facilities upgrades in the original tower before any new rooms would go online....so the world shouldn't expect anything until 2010 at the earliest....if they really are building a 13 story tower...that is gonna take alot of time....plus the repairs to the grounds and an addition of at least one decent sized pool area....

we'll see...