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Goes4FastPass
08-18-2010, 03:36 PM
Rumor is, beginning this year, the earliest ticket holders for MNSSHP can enter the MK is 7pm – if they didn’t enter the park earlier that day using other WDW admission.

I hope, if this change is attempted, it fails miserably and the WDW bosses abandon it before this year’s MVMCP.

We are visiting WDW in November. There are MVMCPs on November 11th and November 12th closing the park at 7pm each night

First of all, do enough people really want to go to a Christmas Party less than 2 weeks after Halloween???

Some discussion board buddies suggest closing the MK well before 7pm to empty out the park – 5pm? 6pm? Good grief! So even though the official park calendar says the MK closes at 7pm that day, if I’m there with my family on multi-day WYW admission media you’re suggesting we get kicked out before 7pm? Uh, wrong. Worse than wrong. Like stupid and wrong.

Allowing party ticket holders to arrive at 4pm is good for guests and for the Walt Disney Company. Let’s get those party goers in and get them buying food and merchandise and yes, let them ride BTMRR.

At a time when Disney World is offering more special resort/ticket/dining promotions and allowing guests to book them earlier, the company should be looking for ways to give what they call guests and what Wall Street calls customers a little bit more, not in every possible way, a little bit less.

Strmchsr
08-18-2010, 04:16 PM
Already being discussed at length here (http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173902).

Goes4FastPass
08-18-2010, 04:22 PM
Already being discussed at length here (http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173902).

I was referring to MVMCP. I guess the threads could be combined - do we assume both events will have the same procedures?

I hope they break this party schedule, they will have it fixed by the last 2010 MNSSHP.

Strmchsr
08-18-2010, 04:28 PM
I was referring to MVMCP. I guess the threads could be combined - do we assume both events will have the same procedures?

Yep. As of right now the procedures are the same for both. Whether or not it will change, I can't say, but doubtful. Usually they wait a year to make changes. Unless it's a total fiasco I expect it will stay this way. They're trying to keep folks from using the hard ticket to get "extra" park time that's not being paid for. Whether we agree with it or not, that's a different story, but from a business perspective I get what they are trying to do. When you've only paid for the party, they shouldn't have to let anyone in early. The most I see them doing is a 6:00 "transition" hour, but I doubt they'll go back to 4:00.

Goes4FastPass
08-18-2010, 04:37 PM
...but from a business perspective I get what they are trying to do...

From a business perspective they're being shortsighted.

Too many nights of closing the MK early and requiring a separate hard ticket to see a parade and watch fireworks will look better on a PowerPoint "deck" today than in the analysis after hard ticket sales fall off.

BrerGnat
08-18-2010, 04:59 PM
I've read numerous complaints (on other boards) about NON ticket holders "hanging out" during these hard ticket events to see the entertainment and fireworks (and not to ride any rides), essentially, without paying to attend the party.

I'm assuming this move is to try to curtail that. Really, they'd be smart to "close" the park an hour prior to the event, empty it out, and then require re-admission to ONLY ticket holders. That would make it fair.

I think the Disney Co. is just trying to do something to respond to the complaints of overcrowding during these parties.

Goes4FastPass
08-18-2010, 05:34 PM
I've read numerous complaints (on other boards) about NON ticket holders "hanging out" during these hard ticket events to see the entertainment and fireworks (and not to ride any rides), essentially, without paying to attend the party.

I'm assuming this move is to try to curtail that. Really, they'd be smart to "close" the park an hour prior to the event, empty it out, and then require re-admission to ONLY ticket holders. That would make it fair.

I think the Disney Co. is just trying to do something to respond to the complaints of overcrowding during these parties.


We’ve attended both the HP and the CP and found both to be more crowded than adjoining nights, especially the parade route and Main Street to Cinderella’s Castle is like standing in a crowded elevator – so I believe it when someone says “day guests are staying after the party starts.”

But how long would it really take to really empty the park of non-party ticket holders from stores and restaurants and every other public space in the MK? And what would it do to day guests?

If you’re going to close and empty the park then reopen at 7pm, what do you do with thousands of event ticket holders waiting to enter the park?

BowTie7
08-18-2010, 06:11 PM
Can you image the mess of everyone arriving at exactly the same time? I also agree with with the comment that it's short sighted to not encourage folks to arrive at five or six and have dinner before the party officially starts.

buzznwoodysmom
08-18-2010, 07:06 PM
Years ago, when we attended our first MVMCP the park closed at 6PM and the party started at 7PM. Apparently this method didn't work to their liking because the next time we attended the party park closing and the party starting were both at 7PM.

I understand that some think that when you buy the hard ticket you shouldn't get extra park hours for "free". But the same can be said about those who don't buy the party ticket and stay past the official closing time. It goes both ways.

I think its a huge mistake to try and empty a park and start the party at the same time. To me its just too many people entering/exiting at the same time. Imagine if every guest that has a party ticket is trying to get in at the same time. I'd bet some would wait close to half and hour, maybe more, to get into the park. Its not very fair to charge what they are charging now days for a party to have a little chunck of that time spent just trying to get into the park. I always thought they allowed the 4PM entry to try to avoid the mass crowd of party goers all trying to get in at the same time. I guess we'll see after the first few Halloween parties. I'm sure we'll be seeing posts of guests reporting back on what the official word is at that time.

faline
08-18-2010, 07:10 PM
We have entered the park a number of times around 4 on party tickets. Did we need to use party tickets? I do believe that every time we did this, we had other park admission that would have allowed us into the park anyway (park hoppers or annual passes).

I have a hard time imagining all of those who won't get the message that the 4 p.m. early entry has changed to a hard 7 p.m. entry who then end up clogging up the area outside the Magic Kingdom. How do you get the park to empty with all thoe waiting to get in between the park entrance and the transportation system? Like us, many folks could probably enter the parks on other admission but willl they be able to weave through the crowds of folks who can't to access the turnstyles? Think about fast pass and all the folks who stand right in front of the entrance even though their fast passes won't be valid for another 5-10 minutes!

What about those who have dining reservations at 5:30? Will they be denied entry because they don't have another fass to enter before 7? What would Disney think of all those dining no shows? Is it fair if they're allowed in earlier than those who didn't make dining reservations? Again, how do they get to the turnstyles to enter the park if the entrance is clogged with those who won't be able to enter until 7?

In the past, some of the shows have essentially been slated to begin right at 7. Will folks be running down the street to try to get a good spot in front of the Castle stage or a good spot in line for a character picture when the gates finally do open?

The logistics befuddle me.

W24toISMdirect
08-18-2010, 07:13 PM
I've read numerous complaints (on other boards) about NON ticket holders "hanging out" during these hard ticket events to see the entertainment and fireworks (and not to ride any rides), essentially, without paying to attend the party.

I'm assuming this move is to try to curtail that. Really, they'd be smart to "close" the park an hour prior to the event, empty it out, and then require re-admission to ONLY ticket holders. That would make it fair.

I think the Disney Co. is just trying to do something to respond to the complaints of overcrowding during these parties.

In what reality does it make ANY sence to deal with people who didn't pay for a ticket to the party by punishing those who did by cutting 3 hours off their park time?

Not to mention that fact that we all know the busses run until 2am every night because of how long it actually takes to EMPTY the park, therefore letting the partiers in later is a gain of nothing.

Sorry, but this logic absolutely fails on every conceiveable level.

Bottum line is Disney is asking people to pay more money for a MVMCP hard ticket this year, but reducing the value of said ticket.

And I can tell you this much for my own part, we are arriving in Orlando (actually checking into POFQ) on Thursday but on a separate reservation from our POFQ/MYW/DDP reservation which starts on Friday beacause free DDP was blacked out on Thursday.

Conversation from this morning:
"There is MVMCP on Thursday, we could do that since we don't currently hold park tickets for Thursday! We can get there at 4 which is only a couple hours after we get there anyway!"

"No, you can't get into MVMCP until 7 this year."

"Really? Yuck, no way... guess MVMCP is out!"

"Yeah, really 7pm makes it totally not worth it"

...so that 3 hard tickets Disney didn't sell (to what was never likely to be a popular MVMCP date in the first place)

faline
08-18-2010, 07:33 PM
In what reality does it make ANY sence to deal with people who didn't pay for a ticket to the party by punishing those who did by cutting 3 hours off their park time?

Legitimately, though, you were never promised those three hours with the purchase of your party ticket as the party is not slated to begin until 7 and that's what is noted on your ticket.

Daisy'sMom
08-18-2010, 07:45 PM
Legitimately, though, you were never promised those three hours with the purchase of your party ticket as the party is not slated to begin until 7 and that's what is noted on your ticket.



I am glad you brought that up. I can't believe that people are getting upset because they won't be able to enter prior to 7pm. The ticket you buy for that event is from 7 to 12. Why does everyone expect something for nothing? Where do you then draw the line? If I have resort ressie for a monday night, can I expect a room at 12am?
I'm playing the devil's advocate here. :mickey:

BigRedDad
08-18-2010, 08:19 PM
:ditto:

There are many ways to look at this.

#1 A ticket to MVMCP/MNSSHP does not grant you admission by itself until 7PM.

#2 Disney should have a hard stop to non-Party guests say 1-2 hours before it starts.

#3 Park goers in prior to 7PM with a day pass AND the Party pass can remain after the park closes until 7PM when the hard party starts. This is a 1-2 hour EMH type thing for people with both.

My feeling on #2 is that this must be a hard stop. People without a Party pass are escorted out or have a trespassing warrant. This will never happen though.

Goes4FastPass
08-18-2010, 09:03 PM
Does anyone really think people who pay what MVMCP costs and enter the MK before 7pm are getting something for nothing?

How many party ticket holders arrive at eactly 4pm? Doesn't allowing party ticket holders to start entering 4pm give the MK a gradual switchover from day guests to the party?

It amazes me how some people freak out if they think somebody might finagle an extra spin on Dumbo.

BrerGnat
08-18-2010, 09:05 PM
BIgRedDad summed it up pretty well.

Obviously Disney was getting complaints. This is their way of addressing that. Will it work? Probably not. They will come up with another solution next year.

I really don't get why they don't just hold these events SEVERAL HOURS after a reasonable closing time, say 6pm during the fall. They could have the party 8pm-1am, which is as late as they stay open with EMH anyway. Heck, during spring break, EMH at the MK was 1am-4am, so we know full well that they are capable of staffing a park until late at night. Just make the party start later, make closing time for eveyone else earlier, and yes, CLOSE IT DOWN (i.e. close the shops, close the restaurants, etc.) It's not that hard to shut doors and lock them. It would give the CMs a break and a chance to straighten up prior to the party starting.

Whomever is in charge of the logistics of party planning at WDW has no idea how to manage this sort of thing.

Or, hey, here's an idea...just hold these parties in lieu of EMH during the holiday season, and make it a RESORT GUEST only perk.

Pirate Granny
08-18-2010, 10:16 PM
We are going the end of September...and I'm not happy with the thought of standing in line with thousands of people waiting for the bell to ring at 7pm. I imagine we'll lose at least 30 to 45 minutes...UGH...hopefully they will readjust once they have a few parties. So much for dinner in the park...which we've always done at 4:30. And yes, I've seen cheaters...and have turned a few in that were at dance parties and actually bragging that they didn't have to pay, and their kids were ok with just doing the trick or treat and watching the parades, shows and fireworks...a while back they would herd us all into toontown when they cleared out the other guests.
:pirate:

PopPhan
08-18-2010, 11:02 PM
Does anyone really think people who pay what MVMCP costs and enter the MK before 7pm are getting something for nothing?

How many party ticket holders arrive at eactly 4pm? Doesn't allowing party ticket holders to start entering 4pm give the MK a gradual switchover from day guests to the party?

It amazes me how some people freak out if they think somebody might finagle an extra spin on Dumbo.

If you read through these comments (and the other threads that touch on this,) most of the comments are from those who are upset about not being able to get in at 4pm when their ticket states 7pm.

In the scheme of things, does any of this banter really matter? Those with tickets will have 5 hours in the park with festivities themed to that particular time frame (either Halloween or Christmas); those without tickets will be ushered out of the park at or around 7pm as CMs and security can assist.

As I asked on another thread, does a MYW ticket get you into a park 3 hours before official park opening? No, nor should a MNSSHP or MVMCP (or other hard ticketed even) get you into the park 3 hours prior to the official opening of that event.

If the park needs to close 1 or 2 hours prior to the opening of the event, so be it. Personally, I stay away from a park if I know there is a hard ticketed event that evening. I don't want to be caught up in the chaos around closing/opening time.

Mickey91
08-19-2010, 01:18 AM
Does anyone really think people who pay what MVMCP costs and enter the MK before 7pm are getting something for nothing?

How many party ticket holders arrive at eactly 4pm? Doesn't allowing party ticket holders to start entering 4pm give the MK a gradual switchover from day guests to the party?

It amazes me how some people freak out if they think somebody might finagle an extra spin on Dumbo.
I totally agree. And let's just think for a moment about some people who aren't as WDW savvy and are only at the MK for one day with a one day ticket they paid $82 plus tax for. You want them to get kicked out at 5PM? How is that fair? Why is it fair they paid full price for a partial day with no parade and no fireworks that are usually part of the admission price. Regardless of how few or how many guests would find themselves in this situation, it is a possibility and is totally unfair. Just because you paid for MNSSHP ticket and they paid more for a regular day pass doesn't mean they are trying to get something for nothing. Also, usually you are allowed to shop almost a full hour after park closing. Not so with the party events. Those without tickets aren't allowed to grab those last minute souvenirs. They are escorted out like possible thieves.
Just for the record, I'm in favor of the 4PM entry. I just wanted to shed some light on the other side of the coin.

W24toISMdirect
08-19-2010, 07:57 AM
First, let's just put an end to this conversation being about someone getting something for nothing... because noone is getting anything for nothing, and what they are getting they shelled out TONS of money for.

The bottum line is NOT what's printed on the ticket, obviously Disney can print whatever they want, and set whatever policy they want... that doesn't make it a good idea from a business standpoint, and it certainly doesn't make it fair to the customers. I honestly can't believe the "Disney says that the rule, so put up with it and shut your mouth!" attitude. Hint: Customers being unhappy with ticketing and admission policies is NOT good for Disney. Once again it's NOT about what Disney chooses to print on the ticket, it's about what the ticket cost compared to what get's you this year vs. previous years. It costs more and gives less, PERIOD. And while you may be ok with that, I can tell that my party will not be purchasing 3 MVMCP tickets we otherwise might have, and I'm sure we're not alone.

W24toISMdirect
08-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Those with tickets will have 5 hours in the park with festivities themed to that particular time frame (either Halloween or Christmas.

Yes, I understand, my responsibility here is to pony up the cash and then be thankful for whatever Disney is gracious enough to give me for it.... yeah, that's responsible spending.


As I asked on another thread, does a MYW ticket get you into a park 3 hours before official park opening? No, nor should a MNSSHP or MVMCP (or other hard ticketed even) get you into the park 3 hours prior to the official opening of that event.

Did a MYW get me into park 3 hours early last time I bought one? If it did I would have to re-evaluate my cost-value analysis and determine if the purchase was still worth making, and on that subject cutting 3 hour early entry from a 5 day park-hoping MYW represents a cosiderably lower percentage of the total value that it does cutting admission time from 8 to 5 hours.


If the park needs to close 1 or 2 hours prior to the opening of the event, so be it.

And yet, as someone pointed out... a day pass would still be $82 and all of the people that show up to buy a day pass and don't know anything about hard ticket events and such (ie. MOST people) get burned.


Personally, I stay away from a park if I know there is a hard ticketed event that evening.

Yeah... I'll be doing the same.

Melanie
08-19-2010, 09:22 AM
Essentially, we have the same conversation going on here (http://www.intercot.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=173902). Longstanding protocol here is to keep all conversation in one thread.

And at this time, I'd also like to remind everyone to keep the conversation civil and refrain from the back and forth banter I see developing in this thread. Please respect everyone's opinions.