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Hammer
02-07-2009, 03:05 PM
According to a report by Sports Illustrated, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for anabolic steroids in 2003, when he was with the Texas Rangers and won the AL home run title and MVP award.


According to the report, which was posted Saturday morning on SI.com, sources told the publication that Rodriguez was on a list of 104 players who tested positive that year, when Major League Baseball conducted survey tests to see if mandatory, random drug-testing was needed.


Sources who know about the testing results told Sports Illustrated that Rodriguez tested positive for testosterone and Primobolan, an anabolic steroid.


In 2003, there were no penalties for a positive result.



Rodriguez, reached at a Miami gym Thursday for comment by Sports Illustrated, said: "You'll have to talk to the union."


Asked if there were an explanation for the positive test result, Rodriguez told SI: "I'm not saying anything."


Sources confirmed to ESPN's T.J. Quinn that Rodriguez was aware he tested positive for steroids in 2003.


Primobolan, also known as methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug. It improves strength and maintains lean muscle with minimal bulk development and few side effects. It is not an approved prescription drug in the United States. Testosterone can be taken legally with a prescription.


In a December 2007 interview with "60 Minutes," however, three days after George Mitchell's report on drugs in the sport was released, Rodriguez denied using performance-enhancing drugs.



"I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field. ... I felt that if I did my, my work as I've done since I was, you know, a rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any level," he said on "60 Minutes."


Scott Boras, Rodriguez's agent, did not immediately return calls from ESPN.com seeking comment.


Both the Yankees and the Rangers told ESPN they would not comment.


Michael Weiner, general counsel for the players' union, declined to comment, and said he did not know if the union would have any comment Saturday.


Major League Baseball plans to release a statement later Saturday.


Survey testing was created in 2003, in an agreement with the MLBPA, to see if mandatory testing and penalties were necessary to be implemented in 2004 -- it also was specifically designed to ensure players would not be identified.


The actual samples were kept in one lab in Las Vegas and had codes, not players' names. A list with the names and corresponding codes were in an office in Long Beach, Calif., and were never supposed to be united.


MLB and the union had a deal with the company that any negative samples were to be automatically destroyed after 30 days.


However, because of the current Barry Bonds investigation and the evidence the government is seeking to present in his current perjury case, it is now known that samples were not destroyed. It had been previously reported that Bonds did not test positive in 2003, but the government found the sample when all were seized, and had tested it.


According to court documents unsealed by a federal judge on Wednesday, Bonds tested positive three times for methenolone.


More than 5 percent of players in the majors tested positive for performance-enhancing substances in the '03 survey, and mandatory testing was implemented -- including provisions for penalties -- in 2004.

Even if Major League Baseball were to confirm that Rodriguez was one of the players to test positive in 2003, he would not be subject to any sort of discipline based on that testing.


However, if information emerges about positive tests from 2004 on, circumstances could change. There have been players connected with HGH purchases from 2004 and forward, for example, who have been subject to discipline by the commissioner's office.


"I think in the climate that we have today, you don't have much shock anymore," Rangers senior adviser John Hart said on the MLB Network. Hart was the general manager during the 2003 season. "Obviously Alex probably is the best player in baseball. This has always been a special talent and the guy has been putting up Hall of Fame numbers since the day he showed up in the big leagues. It saddens me. I've been in the game for almost 40 years and it hurts a little bit, if in fact this is true."



Rodriguez played for the Rangers from 2001 to 2003. He was traded to the Yankees in 2004. He is drawing a major league-high $27 million salary after signing a record $275 million, 10-year contract with New York in 2007.


Rodriguez until now has had an offseason dominated by talk of disclosures in Joe Torre's recently released book. The former Yankee manager wrote of the pressure A-Rod puts on himself and the third baseman's need to command the stage. Torre said some in the Yankees clubhouse referred to Rodriguez as "A-Fraud," although Torre made light of that during interviews promoting his book, "The Yankee Years."


"Alex is a great kid, he's got a conscience and loves the game of baseball," Hart said on the MLB Network. "I think, if anything, Alex tries to be a pleaser in a lot of ways. Looking up at what he's done and his career, I think it's going to affect him. He has the ability at times to tune it out, but he's in a huge media market there in New York.


"It's going to be a huge story, spring training is right around the corner, and you know what's going to happen when you show up at camp. I think it's going to be a little bit of an issue."


Information from The Associated Press, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick, ESPN The Magazine senior writer Buster Olney, and ESPN's T.J. Quinn was used in this report.
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So much for a normal spring training :rolleyes:...

Melanie
02-07-2009, 04:02 PM
Tell me who hasn't taken steroids, and then I might be surprised. :rolleyes:

TinkerbellT421
02-07-2009, 04:09 PM
I hate A-Rod. Doesnt surprise me at all.

kakn7294
02-07-2009, 04:39 PM
Tell me who hasn't taken steroids, and then I might be surprised. :rolleyes:I totally agree with this statement!

Hammer
02-07-2009, 05:07 PM
Tell me who hasn't taken steroids, and then I might be surprised. :rolleyes:


I totally agree with this statement!

Oh, don't get me wrong; I think that steroids were very prevalent in baseball up to 2004 and still exist to a lesser degree today, as I think is the case for all professional sports, not just baseball. I just thought this was interesting in that the identity of the 104 players was supposed to be anonymous. If I was one of the other 103 players, I would be a bit nervous.

Not to mention, there have been a lot of Rangers linked to steroids (A-Rod was a Ranger in 2003).

kakn7294
02-08-2009, 10:06 AM
Christine, I agree with that too - I'm sure that steriod useage was rampant in baseball prior to 2004 - those 104 persons named on that list probably weren't the only ones. I also think that for the next few years we're going to hear all kinds of "name-dropping" from that supposedly anonymous list. And at this point in time, with this all now 5+ yrs behind us, I don't honestly care who used steriods and who didn't. I'm sure it's tainted stats and possibly championships, but knowing who did and who didn't isn't going to change those stats or championships at this point. It should have been dealt with long before now - like at the time when it was happening.

JPL
02-08-2009, 01:34 PM
I hate A-Rod. Doesnt surprise me at all.

Spoken like a true Red Sox Fan. You would love him if he signed with the Sox.


My problem with the whole situation is simple end the name dropping already. This could go on for years and years. Either release a comprehensive list of everyone or just put in the past. It has already been proven that some non-banned substances that are league approved can create the same chemicals in the body that steroids do and really at this point it's just a waste of time and money to continue this witch hunt. I am not defending steroids or their use but I think it's time to say it happened not much we can really do about it except wipeout the last 10 plus of baseball and just move forward and wait for the next scandal.

TinkerbellT421
02-08-2009, 06:15 PM
Spoken like a true Red Sox Fan. You would love him if he signed with the Sox.


Acutally no I wouldnt. I actually hated A-Rod back when he was with texas. Ever heard of the A-Rod curse? I didnt like him then, I think he is a arrogant idiot. But thats personal opinion. Plus he can never get it done when it needs to be. yea yea he can put up number. But when its needed hes not there. Hes another Manny in my book. And for the record I actually said, back when there was trade talks, that if A-Rod came to the Red Sox that I would become a Yankee fan. Just because. Im glad Manny is gone, and I am glad A-Rod never came to us. I give him no respect because he deserves none. Ya yea blah blah he was an MVP back when he was in Texas yada yada. Doesnt make him a good player forever. He had a good year that year...and unfortunately for him he still doesnt own a World Series Championship ring....hmm odd isnt it.

TinkerbellT421
02-08-2009, 06:21 PM
And here are the following reason why A-Rod is never a good player, never will be a great player, and shall never in the history of the game make it to the hall of fame. He had one year of good numbers....woohoo...big deal. Hes overrated....check his stats. Way over rated.

Quote from a sports site explaining what I was talking about...and by the way its not a new englad sports web site either its from the midwest somewhere. but somes it up in a nut shell.


That amazing Mariner team with Edgar Martinez, John Olreud (in his prime) Ken Griffey Jr (in his prime) didn't make it to the World Series, they got to the ALCS but lost. Then A-Rod moved to the Rangers a team that had another slew of future Hall of Famers like Rafael Palmeiro, Juan Gonzalez, and Ivan Rodriguez, they never amounted to much, despite having such a potent lineup. The latest team A-Rod has moved to, the New York Yankees. A team that is once again filled with great players like Derek Jeter, Gary Sheffield, Bernie Williams and the list goes on and on. This year they made it to the ALCS, they won three games, and then managed to blow it. Coincidence? I think not!

"Well why is A-Rod cursed?" I asked the spirits. Their simple answer was that no one should make a mockery of the game of baseball like Alex Rodriguez has. His money grubbing ways have tainted the game not only to fans but to players as well. Do you recall when A-Rod got his insane deal that pays him 25 million dollars a year? It was big news, and it was a shameful day for the game. A-Rod gets paid over one hundred thousand dollars for every game he plays, that is far more than most people make in a year. Just for reference to those non-baseball fans, there are one hundred sixty two games in a baseball season.

And for the record, I am not believing in the actual "A-Rod curse" thing because thats a whole crock of bologna, just like the "Red Sox curse" neither really exist or ever did exist. Its just a little ironic that A-Rod just cant seem to help the other great players on his team get it done. But hey I want 25 million a year to have one good year out of 3....Give me a break. Absolutely insulting.

TinkerbellT421
02-08-2009, 06:28 PM
My problem with the whole situation is simple end the name dropping already. This could go on for years and years. Either release a comprehensive list of everyone or just put in the past. It has already been proven that some non-banned substances that are league approved can create the same chemicals in the body that steroids do and really at this point it's just a waste of time and money to continue this witch hunt. I am not defending steroids or their use but I think it's time to say it happened not much we can really do about it except wipeout the last 10 plus of baseball and just move forward and wait for the next scandal.

Also I agree with this part of what you said one-hundred thousand million percent. I am sick of hearing it already...Yes I know there was steroids scandals in baseball yada yada....Im sorry but tell me something we didnt already know....Lets see Sosa getting caught with cork in his bat??? Now that was heart breaking to me! Now....heres the biggest point....they just release this information in the year 2009....Im sorry but it does not not take almost 6 years to do steroid testing. They new about this then and it was swept under the rug. And now they are going to make a big deal about his MVP award when he had steroids in his system? lets get over it now. Let it go. Cant take it back. What done is done. They should be more on top of this now, now that is such a big deal to them and they have been shown to be slackers as the whole baseball league in itself. Now they want to make it look like they are taking control of the situation. And lets not forget that this only came about after ex-baseball players start writing books about it. Then it turned into a big thing! Come on. The league in its whole new about everyone and everything and didnt do anything about it then hoping everyone would keep their mouth shut about it. Then they got caught. Now they have to make off like they care. They didnt care then, they dont care now. Its all make believe. Thats why we as fans will never see a list of everyone that caught using. And not that they ever got suspended even one game for getting caught. The league never cared enough. They should let sleeping dogs lay and yes move on to the next scandal. Its old now.

GothMickey
02-09-2009, 09:59 AM
Tink, the test in 2003 was NOT swept under the rug. Those tests were meant to be used as a basis to see just how rampant performance enhancing drugs were in baseball. The tests were supposed to remain anonymous, unsealed with no names ever to be released.

Let is also be pointed out that A-Rod has not failed any tests since 2003. His numbers, if you look at his career, never really had any huge spikes. They are all pretty consistant, except for 2 years where he hit more than 50 home runs. Mind you, he didn't hit over 50 in 2003. I mean, it isn't like he turned 42, and suddenly became this hulking muscular guy hitting 75 home runs. Ya know, something that just doesn't happen unless you juice.

TinkerbellT421
02-09-2009, 10:22 AM
Let is also be pointed out that A-Rod has not failed any tests since 2003. His numbers, if you look at his career, never really had any huge spikes. They are all pretty consistant, except for 2 years where he hit more than 50 home runs. Mind you, he didn't hit over 50 in 2003. I mean, it isn't like he turned 42, and suddenly became this hulking muscular guy hitting 75 home runs. Ya know, something that just doesn't happen unless you juice.


I know, hence when I said. He has never had great stats anyway. He had one good year with the Yankees out of three. And one decent year with Texas. He has never been "great" in my book. I was explaining why I dont like A-rod and dont care about him when JPL said that I was being a typical Red Sox Fan and that if he came to the Red Sox that I would like him. I was in fact, stating why I wasnt just dismissing him with the whole "hes a yankee and Im a red sox fan" thing. I dont like him, because I dont like him, not just because hes a yankee.

GothMickey
02-09-2009, 11:32 AM
I know, hence when I said. He has never had great stats anyway. He had one good year with the Yankees out of three. And one decent year with Texas. He has never been "great" in my book. I was explaining why I dont like A-rod and dont care about him when JPL said that I was being a typical Red Sox Fan and that if he came to the Red Sox that I would like him. I was in fact, stating why I wasnt just dismissing him with the whole "hes a yankee and Im a red sox fan" thing. I dont like him, because I dont like him, not just because hes a yankee.

As a Yankee fan, it pains me when I see him come up in key situations and strike out. But, as far as numbers go, I think his numbers have been pretty darn good, consistant. His stats are great. He may not have put up 65 or more homers, but 35 plus homers every year, 300 batting average every year, and over 100 RBIs every year, in my book, are great numbers. I am not sure why you say his stats aren't great. The only thing that hasn't been great about him is he rarely comes through in key situations.

As far as the Red Sox/Yankee fan thing goes: Red Sox fans would love him if he played for them. Just like Yankee fans love him. However, with everything going on lately, as Yankee fans start to turn on him, Red Sox fans would have done the same thing. I am sure there are a few Sox fans who still would have hated him, you for example. I hated Randy Johnson before he was a Yankee and while he was with them. Red Sox and Yankee fans aren't much different from each other.

TinkerbellT421
02-09-2009, 01:20 PM
I was just stating my opinion in why I said what I said in the first place. And just defending myself to the notion that I was just making a "typical red sox" statement. And again, No I would not like him if he came to the red sox, whether he made numbers or not. Plus the red sox arent willing to dish 25 million a year for him anyway. He is IMHO for the numbers he puts up, and not coming through when needed, that he is not at all worth 25 million a year....I respect his numbers, at times, I do not respect him as a person, I think he has made a mockery of the yankees. Just like Manny had made a mockery of the red sox. Theres always one. And I personally think, he would be just as much drama as Manny was and isnt worth it. But again this is all in personal opinion, everbody is entitled to their own.

barnaby
02-09-2009, 01:45 PM
As far as the Red Sox/Yankee fan thing goes: Red Sox fans would love him if he played for them.


Nope, sorry.

When the rumors were flying he was coming to Boston in the winter of 2004, I wanted no parts of him then.

I know Yankee fans who can't stand him.

Scar
02-09-2009, 03:34 PM
In 2003, there were no penalties for a positive result. :sleepin:

Hammer
02-09-2009, 06:46 PM
A-Rod admits using performance-enhancers

Mon Feb 9, 2:53 PM EST
Alex Rodriguez admitted Monday that he used performance-enhancing drugs from 2001-03, saying he did so because of the pressures of being baseball's highest-paid player.

``When I arrived in Texas in 2001, I felt an enormous amount of pressure. I felt like I had all the weight of the world on top of me and I needed to perform, and perform at a high level every day,'' the New York Yankees star said in an interview with ESPN that was broadcast Monday shortly after it was recorded.

His admission came two days after Sports Illustrated reported he tested positive for steroids in 2003, one of 104 players who tested positive during baseball's survey testing, which wasn't subject to discipline and was supposed to remain anonymous.

``And I did take a banned substance and, you know, for that I'm very sorry and deeply regretful. And although it was the culture back then and Major League Baseball overall was very - I just feel that - You know, I'm just sorry. I'm sorry for that time. I'm sorry to fans. I'm sorry for my fans in Texas. It wasn't until then that I ever thought about substance of any kind, and since then I've proved to myself and to everyone that I don't need any of that.''

The 33-year-old All-Star third baseman was regarded by many in baseball as the most likely to break Bonds' record of 762. He's already 12th on the career list with 553 homers, 209 behind Bonds.

Rodriguez hit 52, 57 and 47 homers in his three seasons with the Rangers, winning the first of three AL MVP awards during his final season with Texas, where he received a $252 million, 10-year contract in December 2000.

``Back then it was a different culture. It was very loose. I was young. I was stupid,'' Rodriguez said. ``I was naive, and I wanted to prove to everyone that, you know, I was worth, you know - and being one of the greatest players of all time.''

He joined Jason Giambi and Andy Pettitte among All-Star players who have confessed to using performance-enhancing drugs. Many other players have denied any use.

Barry Bonds, a seven-time MVP, is to go on trial next month on charges he lied when he told a grand jury in 2003 that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs.

Roger Clemens, a seven-time AL Cy Young Award winner, is under investigation by a federal grand jury which is trying to determine whether he lied when he told a congressional committee last year that he never used steroids and human growth hormone.

In his 2008 book, ``Vindicated: Big Names, Big Liars, and The Battle to Save Baseball,'' Jose Canseco claimed he introduced Rodriguez to a steroids dealer. Canseco, who has admitted using steroids, subsequently said he had no knowledge of any drug use by Rodriguez.

``They are looking in the wrong places,'' Canseco said in a text message to The Associated Press. ``This is a 25-year cover-up. The true criminals are Gene Orza, (union head) Donald Fehr and (commissioner) Bud (Selig). Investigate them, and you will have all the answers.''

SI said that Orza, the union's chief operating officer, tipped off three players in September 2004 that they would be tested. Orza has repeatedly denied that he tipped off players, saying he merely reminded them late in the season that if they had not yet been tested, baseball's drug agreement required them to be tested by the end of the regular season.

Orza, who has been widely criticized by media since the SI report, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that he doesn't care what the media says.

``I know the facts,'' Orza wrote.

Rodriguez said Orza told him in August or September 2004 about the list of names that had been seized by federal investigators.

``He said there's a government list. There's 104 players in it. You might or might not have tested positive,'' Rodriguez said.

SI.com reported Rodriguez tested positive for Primobolan and testosterone.

``It was such a loosey-goosey era. I'm guilty for a lot of things. I'm guilty for being negligent, naive, not asking all the right questions,'' Rodriguez said. ``And to be quite honest, I don't know exactly what substance I was guilty of using.''

Monday's ESPN interview directly contradicted a December 2007 interview with CBS's ``60 Minutes,'' when Rodriguez said, ``No'' when asked whether he's ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance.

On Friday, Rodriguez is still expected to attend an event at the University of Miami, which is renaming its baseball field in his honor.

He gave $3.9 million to the school in 2003, the largest gift ever to the Hurricanes' baseball program and money that provided much of the resources needed for renovating the existing on-campus stadium. In return, the baseball complex will be called Mark Light Field at Alex Rodriguez Park.

Despite the scandal, the facility will continue to bear Rodriguez's name, a university official said Monday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitive nature.

Miami baseball players and coaches were not available for comment, spokesman Mark Pray said.

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Associated Press Sports Writer Tim Reynolds in Miami contributed to this report.

The Associated Press

DizneyFreak2002
02-09-2009, 07:36 PM
I'll give him credit for admitting it, unlike Bonds and Clemens... But, that doesn't mean he should get off scott free here... A-Rod deserves the scorn he will now get... I really think these players deserve to have their contracts ripped up and banned from the game...

Hammer
02-09-2009, 07:50 PM
I really think these players deserve to have their contracts ripped up and banned from the game...

Why should baseball do that when none of the other sports have done that? If I used your line of thinking, you would need to throw Lawerence Taylor out of the Pro Football Hall of Fame and Shawn Merriman should not be allowed to play.

gueli
02-09-2009, 10:36 PM
1) Blame the Union- according to a newspaper column I read, the union had the right to have the information destroyed.

2) Blame the players- BB has been notorious for their lack of a comprehensive drug policy. It only served to help the players 'do it'. Simply put, all the lies have to come to an end.

3) Blame the fans- yep, its our fault. We wanted the players to be something that they were not- "heroes".

4) Blame the owners- they wanted the money. Any way to get it, anyway to have the players appear better.

5) Blame the Government- they wanted to find the truth, and siezed the balco records. They also have fought off bids by the union to have the info returned/eradicated.

6) Blame Barry Bonds- (IMHO) He lied. The govt wants to catch him. Because of his lies, they went after BALCO and siezed these records. I doubt at the time they knew what was in them.

Its the blame game. Which one do you select ?
:mickey:

Hammer
02-09-2009, 11:06 PM
1) Blame the Union...

2) Blame the players...

3) Blame the fans...

4) Blame the owners...

5) Blame the Government...

6) Blame Barry Bonds...

Its the blame game. Which one do you select ?
:mickey:

How about 7) All of the above?

It is a compilation of all of the things you listed. All the parties are culpable.

JPL
02-10-2009, 09:43 AM
We can blame whoever we want now it's time to start putting it in the past and focusing on the future. Take it as a lesson learned and prevent the next scandal from occurring. We can't change the past and we can't change the rules and then go back an punish people for things they did before the rule changes. I think this is going to be a personal decision of fans if they want to continue to watch the sport or just step back and say I'm done with baseball.

TinkerbellT421
02-10-2009, 09:52 AM
We can blame whoever we want now it's time to start putting it in the past and focusing on the future. Take it as a lesson learned and prevent the next scandal from occurring. We can't change the past and we can't change the rules and then go back an punish people for things they did before the rule changes. I think this is going to be a personal decision of fans if they want to continue to watch the sport or just step back and say I'm done with baseball.

I agree wholeheartedly. Its all "old" news now. ITs time to move on and possibly prevent in the future. Theres nothing they can do about the past. No way in changing it now. The sad part is, no matter the scandal, MLB knows they will always have fans. There is no way, scandal or no scandal, even in this economy, that teams like The Yankees, or The Red Sox, will ever have an empty seat.

BMan62
02-10-2009, 10:09 AM
Unfortunately, disciplinary action is pretty much a laugh in MLB and has been since the 80's. Look back at Darryl Strawberry - 7 times caught for drug possession - not steroids, but hard line drugs like cocaine - and all he got was slaps on the wrist and scoldings.

Personally, in the interest of fairness to A-Rod, since the first name on that list from 2003 came out, the rest of the names should also be released and those players be chastised as well.

One last point -- what makes the players on this list any less guilty than McGwire? Shouldn't the players on this list have asterisks beside all their stats and be locked out of any possible inclusion in the Hall of Fame? Fair is fair.

gueli
02-10-2009, 12:22 PM
Unfortunately, disciplinary action is pretty much a laugh in MLB and has been since the 80's. Look back at Darryl Strawberry - 7 times caught for drug possession - not steroids, but hard line drugs like cocaine - and all he got was slaps on the wrist and scoldings.

Personally, in the interest of fairness to A-Rod, since the first name on that list from 2003 came out, the rest of the names should also be released and those players be chastised as well.

One last point -- what makes the players on this list any less guilty than McGwire? Shouldn't the players on this list have asterisks beside all their stats and be locked out of any possible inclusion in the Hall of Fame? Fair is fair.

The reaction of many of the BB writers is that they will not be included in the hall of fame.

the rest of the names should be released- hopefuly a freedom of information request or some such, or it might come out at one of the trials (Bonds/balco/clemins).

And as far as Darryl Strawberry isn't he serving hard time now? BB never caught him or did anything, but the POLICE sure did.
:mickey:

GothMickey
02-10-2009, 01:12 PM
I don't remember Strawberry's punishments, but, I remember Steve Howe being suspended several times. Back to A-Rod. Now that he has admitted it, let it be. Release the names of the other 103, and move forward.

JPL
02-10-2009, 02:12 PM
The other thing that has been bugging me about this entire thing is what about finding this leak or leaks that keep releasing this information? I mean if these were confidential documents I am assuming only a select number of people have or had access to them. The longer this continues the more damge it is doing to the game.

PirateLover
02-10-2009, 08:49 PM
Unfortunately, disciplinary action is pretty much a laugh in MLB and has been since the 80's.
Ask J.C. Romero how he feels about disciplinary action :mad:

GBBT
02-11-2009, 10:25 AM
On MLB Network,Joe Morgan said the names of the other 103 players should be released so the cloud of doubt of the players that DIDN'T use steroids would disappear.My son plays in Little League and I played softball.I had #.13 on my shirt because I played at 3rd base.My son took 13 because I had it.Yesterday he said "I"m not using #.13 anymore because of A-rod.He used steroids.I'm picking another number." Sad.....and stupid on the players part.:mad:

GothMickey
02-11-2009, 01:46 PM
The other thing that has been bugging me about this entire thing is what about finding this leak or leaks that keep releasing this information? I mean if these were confidential documents I am assuming only a select number of people have or had access to them. The longer this continues the more damge it is doing to the game.

The problem is more than a select number of people have the results. Originally it was the lab (numbers were used in place of names) and the MLBPA/MLB. Now the government has the results. That means anyone involved with the investigation, including judges, paralegals, congressmen, etc... The list goes on.

brad192
02-11-2009, 02:03 PM
I guess we can start calling him A - ROID now! ;)

gueli
02-14-2009, 05:20 AM
to paraphrase-
selig says a-rod is a disgrace because he admitted using.
Gee in the face of overwhelming evidence, he did not stick his head in the sand. (comparing my opinion of a-rod & selig).

I heard the a-roid interview, I liked how he did not admit to what he used, its much better to only admit to what they know. ("the school called ? I know nothing about the fire in the teachers lounge....um, what fire. Its not about a fire?"- atributed to bart simpson).

I can not believe Selig's arrogance.
Oh well, - THESE ARE NOT THE STEROIDS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
or There are no Steroids behind the curtain. Ignor the man beind the curtain.

:mickey:

Closet Disney Fan
02-19-2009, 03:19 AM
ok lets be honest here. Steroids have been gaining momentum since the 1980's (even though they have not been as prevelant). All of this nonsense about putting an asterisk next to someone's name is absolute craziness. I'm not condoning their behavior, but you can't run around and put an asterisk next to the name of everyone who ever made a bad decision in the Hall of Fame. Baseball must be judged generation by generation and this era of the late 90's and 2000's has already been deemed the "Steroid Era". In 30 years, new baseball enthusists will see the name Bonds, McGwire, and most likely Rodriguez in the records of the Hall of Fame and they will already be guilty by association with their time in Major League Baseball. Everyone is quick to point the fingers at the players but it is in reality the fault of the owners, unions, and commissioner. These players have millions of dollars on the table and they are trying to get the leg up and sometimes make bad decisions, just like the rest of us. If the officials of MLB had made better policies they could have controlled it better and if they evolve their policies they can control it in the future. Everyone needs to get off the false idea that professional athletes always make the right decisions and accept that they are as human as everyone else. We need to stop being so shocked with the news of steroids and move on and encourage our MLB officials to make stronger punishments for steroid use because it's old news and we need to move on into a era for baseball.

Greenlawler
02-20-2009, 01:13 AM
[QUOTE=JPL;1827654]Spoken like a true Red Sox Fan. You would love him if he signed with the Sox. [QUOTE]

As a sox fan I can say I would not have liked him in Boston. There is just something not right about him, although I know that sounds judgemental. He is just so fake to me. I have disliked players on the Sox before....Manny case and point.

As for steroids everyone seems to have an opinion I am no different. Here is my view. Steroids were illegal not in Baseball but in America! Lets not give these guys a free pass becuase we are tired of the gradual name parade. Pro Players get too many free passes, some even get away with mur...well lets not go there but lets not turn our heads becuase we simply want this coverage explosion off our sports talk, and SportsCenter.

As for the asterick disscussion, well I know I am in the minority but I just don't think MLB is consistent. I mean Marris had an asterick becuase it took him more games to hit his homers than Ruth. Why does Hank Aaron not have an asterick then? Can of worms, yes, consistant no. Just get rid of the astericks, punish the rule breakers consistant with anti-drug use laws and move on.