Line Jumpers!!!!

[jaredkari]

Ok I know there have been many threads on this topic, but I just got back from WDW and I never experienced so many line jumpers!!!

WDW really needs to come up with a policy on this because it is really frustrating. We waited in line 90 minutes to meet Disney Fairies with my niece. When we got in line the wait was 60 minutes BUT by the time we had about 5 groups of people cut in front of us it ended up a 90 minute wait. IF YOUR ENTIRE PARTY IS NOT THERE TO GET IN LINE WAIT FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!! You should not be allowed to save a spot and then have six people cut their way through!!!! Sorry I am a little worked up about this!!!!:mad:

[TheRustyScupper]

1) Did you
. . . say anything to a CM?
. . . say anything to the line jumpers?
. . . try to cut back in front of them?
2) Things don't get better if they are not mentioned.

[DDuck66]

Not sure what the answer is, but I know it is can be really frustrating. I know that a lot of our restaurants will not let you go on the waiting list if your entire party is not there. I know some of the restuarants at WDW use that same idea when checking in.

[Santuitman]

http://www.kansascity.com/450/story/979031.html

Hmmm

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

Ok I know there have been many threads on this topic, but I just got back from WDW and I never experienced so many line jumpers!!!

WDW really needs to come up with a policy on this because it is really frustrating. We waited in line 90 minutes to meet Disney Fairies with my niece. When we got in line the wait was 60 minutes BUT by the time we had about 5 groups of people cut in front of us it ended up a 90 minute wait. IF YOUR ENTIRE PARTY IS NOT THERE TO GET IN LINE WAIT FOR THEM!!!!!!!!!! You should not be allowed to save a spot and then have six people cut their way through!!!! Sorry I am a little worked up about this!!!!:mad:

While I agree with what you are saying, I will point out one thing. The Fairies only takes 3 FAMILIES/PARTIES at a time. So it doesn't matter if the group is one person, or 10 people. They go in at the same time. Your wait time would not have been affected because you still would have to wait for the same amount of families to enter Pixie Hollow.

However, I like when people try to overcome this by joining their family with another in line. Because at that point, I say that there will only be one Photopass given per family and that it will only be a group picture. Which is what we are supposed to do anyways. I had one family try to break up after they enter and I said that they had to keep their party together. Not my fault they lied. :D

Unfortunately, we really can't say anything to the Guests. All it will do is make the Guests co complain that we were rude and refused to let them ride or see a character, and guess what....re-entry passes and private meet and greets. Yep, it happens. All the time.

[chrisie703]

Six Flags in NJ has a policy and signs posted on all of the lines. "Anyone caught cutting the line will be ejected from the park",(or something like that). They certainly don't have as many line cutters as Disney. Disney should do something like this. But there are plenty of people that think as long as one person in your party is waiting in line, it is perfectly acceptable for the rest of your party to cut. They need to have a clear policy, so that we can all do the same thing. If Disney said that it was OK to save a spot for your whole party, I would do it, and I wouldn't get upset when others do it, but for now, I think it's not fair to everyone who waitied behind you.

[Ian]

Honestly, I think this is a little overblown. Most of the time, the additional folks in front of you do not increase your wait time because they are all part of the same party.

But if it's a family of four and the DH and DS get in line while the DW takes the DD to the rest room, I don't have an issue with that. It's not going to make me wait any longer since the four of them will most likely end up in the same ride vehicle anyway.

At the end of the day, there are so many more aggravating things people do in WDW (jump in front of you at the last minute for parades, run over you with their scooters, smoke where they aren't supposed to, etc.) that this isn't one I bother getting excited over.

[Crystal]

It is irritating, but usually I just let it go. No point in getting upset about it & it's not going to make my wait THAT much longer.

But it is very, very irritating.

[KAJUNKING]

At the end of the day, there are so many more aggravating things people do in WDW (jump in front of you at the last minute for parades, run over you with their scooters, smoke where they aren't supposed to, etc.) that this isn't one I bother getting excited over.

:ditto: couldnt agree more!

[#1donaldfan]

...we just came back from Disney, which was during and through NYE.....now you can imagine the massive crowds..... I have never said anything to anyone about "cutting" line, but this one lady, a little older maybe, at AK, just before opening busted through about knocking down a lady standing directly behind me, jumping the rope on the left side, and began speed walking toward the Tusker House. A CM caught her and coralled her back to us and almost at the same time the lady behind me and myself told her she was behind us and move on back......boy was she mad....we saw her again later, after the rope dropped, at Donald's Safari Breakfast....they turned her away, as she did not have ressies.....boy, was that justice !!!

[Beast_fanatic]

I don't mind the ones that are joining there party up ahead (so long as it's not like an entire tour group, just a couple of people). It's the ones that say they are joining their party up ahead that really don't have a party up ahead that annoy me. And, yes, I did witness that happening.

[Dawnya]

I don't mind the ones that are joining a party ahead (especially if it is a parent with a kid-bathroom break). It is the older kids that try to sneak by on the outsides of the line slowly cutting in front of everyone (really bad on the pirates ride). The queue is so wide and everyone stands in the middle leaving the outsides open and these kids just squeeze by til they get to a large group and cant go any further. We are a family of five and we all stand side by side to try to take up the width of the line and even put out elbows to stop some kids. I have confronted the kids cutting, but they tell me they are just going up there and point to the front.

[MississippiDisneyFreak]

We had a few cases of line jumpers on our Dec. trip...they weren't joining parties either just jumping in...my mom made a point of showing them where the line started, most ignored her, one group got out from in front of us but got right behind us, the people behind us didn't speak up....most of the times CM didn't see it happening....we did see people attempt to line jump at Haunted Mansion and they did get caught by CM and directed to the back of the line

[buzz638]

It's the ones that say they are joining their party up ahead that really don't have a party up ahead that annoy me.

Sincerly, i really tought that THAT was line jumping !!!

So i want to apologize the the people that were in line at Camp Minne-Mickey on December 17 2008 in the afternoon ! Grandpa was waiting in line for us to see Mickey while we (4 people) were going to see Goofy dressed in a santa suit.

We then joined Grandpa in line for Mickey. I don't know if i missed it, but i did not sense anyone being angry at us for that. We even joined in the conversation that Grandpa had with the lovely familly behind him. They did not seemed to mind when we arrived.

Now, i am still not sure if it is right or not for someone to wait for you ???
Is it a matter of party size ? Time of year ?


Buzz638

[PixiePrincess]

We, too, just got back from WDW and experienced the line cutting on many rides. The one time that bothered me the most though, was when a group of grown adults were RUNNING so fast to get in front of me that they
knocked me and my 8 month old daughter into the wall on HM. I ended up being separated from the rest of my family, and let's just say I was a little upset. :mad:

[handmaidenofprincesses]

Normally it doesn't bother me much... but last week when I was there, it was getting a bit excessive!

An entire tour group from Brazil ran in front of me and my aunt, pushing us aside, nearly knocking my aunt (who was using a cane and having difficulty walking as it was) to the ground, just to get on the Gran Fiesta Tour ahead of us! Okay, (1) it's not THAT good a ride, (2) there were only 2 of us, and at least 20 of them, and (3) they were just plain obnoxious!

(btw, the rest of the time we were in line, they clapped and chanted and yelled at the top of their lungs...to the point where they drowned out the mariachi cobre! There's enthusiasm and then there's just being obnoxious.. if only any of them had spoken English I would've said something to them!!)

[CaptainSad]

Rule of thumb... It is not line cutting when you are joining a party member that went ahead to get a spot in line. Some people can't stand that long for health or such reasons. If you have little kids it's nice for you to break up and let someone rest, get a drink or get out of the sun.

Now if someone justs sneaks in line that is a different story.

If you think the rule of thumb above is wrong then I am sorry and guilty as charged. But I will continue to do what has been practiced in my family as well as others. No matter if you are the only one in your party or you have 10. You will still be waiting the same amount of time.

CM's will not break up families because someone in their party joined them.

[jaredkari]

An entire tour group from Brazil ran in front of me and my aunt, pushing us aside, nearly knocking my aunt (who was using a cane and having difficulty walking as it was) to the ground, just to get on the Gran Fiesta Tour ahead of us! Okay, (1) it's not THAT good a ride, (2) there were only 2 of us, and at least 20 of them, and (3) they were just plain obnoxious!

(btw, the rest of the time we were in line, they clapped and chanted and yelled at the top of their lungs...to the point where they drowned out the mariachi cobre! There's enthusiasm and then there's just being obnoxious.. if only any of them had spoken English I would've said something to them!!)

I couldn't agree with your comment more!! And thats all I will say about that.

Although it was hilarious on Toy Story Mania we were in line and after about the third person pushed by us the guy behind us started very sarcastically saying to them, "oh yeah they are up there, yeah I saw them they are waiting at the front for you, go ahead" He got some real weird looks from them (although I doubt they could understand him) but it was really funny :mickey:

[ibelieveindisneymagic]

I know for us, this comes down to the person. I have no issues at all if a Mom or Dad is catching up th the rest of the family with a little one, (such as for a bathroom break), or if a grandparent is catching to the rest of the family, etc (and they are usually so polite about it).

But, when it is just a group of people trying to be selfish (such as pushing and shoving) and just trying not to wait I make it difficult to pass. I'm not going to get into a fight over it, but I let them know that it isn't right.

[mrmcgiv]

I was annoyed by this many times on uour disney trip...however it did not bother my DH very much. It think it is a matter of temperment as to what some people will let bother them.

We were in line at Peco Bills, kids were straving, it was raining etc. We just needed to eat and sit down. There were two older women in front of us..and us. We aited a few minutes. Kids were melting down, Only one of us could not carry 4 meals so we all had to wait. After a few minutes two other older women walk up and get behind us. (they have been a few behind us). Well they were together with the women in fornt of us and they realized this and the two women moved in line in front of us. Kids still melting down. It probably prolonged our wait 3-5 minutes. In this situation 3-5 mins seemed VERY long.

I AM SO SORRY, but if they really want to order their food together then the two women in front of us SHOULD HAVE MOVED ON BACK!!!!! It was the height of rudeness. I have experience this in rdie lines..where part of a family gets in line and then maybe 6-10 people get in line and then rest of the family comes along. However I have never seen the people in front tell the 6-10 people to move ahead of them..it is always the people in the back that move ahead. A little courtesy would go a long way.

Sure I can see holding a spot in Dad and kid holding a spot in line while Mom took the other kid to the bathroom etc. But there is some BLATANT rudeness and line cutting.

I also suspected CMs could not say much, unless maybe it was directly witnessed due to PR/complaint issues.

[Melanie]

Last month when we were at Hong Kong Disneyland, we were waiting in line for Autopia and noticed two middle aged guys making their way through the line. I knew what they were doing. A few minutes later, a CM came through the line to where they were waiting, and stood with them, then another came and escorted them out. Yay! I then noticed that there were CMs throughout the queue, and at higher points, who were keeping a close eye on the queue and communicating with walkie-talkies. Loved it! Wish they'd do more of this stateside.

[VWL Mom]

Does anyone else remember (early '90s) a sign at SM that said no line cutting and CM's watching the line. I somehow remember DS wanting to get out of line and telling him if he and I got out of line we couldn't get back in. Or am I imagining this?

[mudpuppysmom]

First, I want to say I do have a problem with line jumpers....it's just wrong. You are taught/or teach that you are to wait your turn.

That said, I have had two instances that I remember to the detail about line "jumpers". One was at MGM. My family was in line for Muppets and there were a group of girls behind us. There was also a group of girls in front of us. I felt like they were together, but no one was trying to pass us, so they were not together. To my left I kept getting pushed. I finally turned around and asked the girl, "are you with that group in front of us"....she shook her head no and then gave me a look like I had three heads when I asked her to stop pushing me and try to get past me.

The other incident was just this past trip (December). It really was not a line jumper per se, but you might agree with me that it was wrong (and you might disagree). DS and I got in line for Primeval Whirl. There was a man and a young girl in front of us. We were about halfway thru the queue (it was a 60 minute wait mind you, so the queue was pretty full). This woman walks up about 3/4 of the way thru our wait and joins her DH and daughter. My son looked at me and said "mumma, they jumped in line, that is bad"....he said it loud enough for the woman to hear. I just told him that they were together and left it alone. About a minute later the woman looks at me and asks if I had a problem with her jumping in with her family. I politely told her that I try to teach my son that you need to wait in line for your turn and that jumping ahead of people is not right. She then looked at him and said "kids today are so rule oriented" (yeah, direct quote). She further told him how it is OK for she and her other daughter to jump in line with the rest of their family because they were in another line to see Santa Goofy and then they came straight there to join them. So that made it OK she said.

THAT is what I have a problem with.....if you are doing something else then you are doing something else! Wait until you are done and THEN get in line together! It's not like the little girl had to go to the restroom -- they were off doing something else halfway across the park!

She looked at me and smiled after she justified herself to my 6 year old. :mad::mad::mad: I told him we would disucss it after we got off the ride, which we did. DH said he could not believe that I let it go! I said I didn't want another Teacups incident!! He just looked puzzled and I told him to let it go -- we were good.

[luvmyboys4ever]

How about when a CM helps the line cutters? We were waiting in line for our last Power Ranger autograph, when a CM comes up and asks my 5 year old son if he wouldn't mind letting someone in front of him? My son didn't even have time to answer, when he put his arm in front of him and let a woman and her son get a picture and autograph! He then says loudly, "Did you get your last autograph?...Great, enjoy your dinner!" Are you kidding me!?! As if that explains everything?
We just spent a considerable amount of time waiting, in the direct sun & heat, to get OUR last autograph! Did I mention this was our 2nd time waiting in line to get all of the autographs, because it was so busy we couldn't get them all in one shot. I don't mind waiting, let's face it, that's what you do at WDW. However, if I had dinner reservatons, I would go eat and then come back for the autograph! I don't think I'm so special that I should be able to cut in front of a line full of people, just because I have reservations!! And the CM didn't even give the people in line second glance! He could have thanked the people waiting in line. Needless to say, there were plenty of unhappy guests. I don't think you should step on the toes of 20 other guests for the benefit of 2.
Yes, it only took a minute, but what should I have told my son...Those people are more important than the rest of us...They have to eat. I know you're hot, tired and want to eat, but they clearly rate and we don't. Thankfully, he could have cared less, so we just let it go.

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

How about when a CM helps the line cutters? We were waiting in line for our last Power Ranger autograph, when a CM comes up and asks my 5 year old son if he wouldn't mind letting someone in front of him? My son didn't even have time to answer, when he put his arm in front of him and let a woman and her son get a picture and autograph! He then says loudly, "Did you get your last autograph?...Great, enjoy your dinner!" Are you kidding me!?! As if that explains everything?
We just spent a considerable amount of time waiting, in the direct sun & heat, to get OUR last autograph! Did I mention this was our 2nd time waiting in line to get all of the autographs, because it was so busy we couldn't get them all in one shot. I don't mind waiting, let's face it, that's what you do at WDW. However, if I had dinner reservatons, I would go eat and then come back for the autograph! I don't think I'm so special that I should be able to cut in front of a line full of people, just because I have reservations!! And the CM didn't even give the people in line second glance! He could have thanked the people waiting in line. Needless to say, there were plenty of unhappy guests. I don't think you should step on the toes of 20 other guests for the benefit of 2.
Yes, it only took a minute, but what should I have told my son...Those people are more important than the rest of us...They have to eat. I know you're hot, tired and want to eat, but they clearly rate and we don't. Thankfully, he could have cared less, so we just let it go.

Okay. I'm going to clear this up really fast because I really don't like the lack of understanding. The only people who are given priority for characters are people with Make a Wish. If you don't know what that is, then you need to look it up or ask Kyle, Hayden's Dad and he can explain what it is and why it's so important. The CM wasn't assisting in line-jumping, they were making a child's special trip important. And most likely, the CM was chatting with them while waiting for the group in front of you to finish and learned about their dinner reservations. We like to make the trips for children on MAW as magical as possible and spend as much time with them as we can. I know because I do this everyday, several times a day. We recently had an entire community that brought about 20 children to Disney on a MAW trip and we let them go see the characters before other people in line.

[luvmyboys4ever]

Okay. I'm going to clear this up really fast because I really don't like the lack of understanding. The only people who are given priority for characters are people with Make a Wish. If you don't know what that is, then you need to look it up or ask Kyle, Hayden's Dad and he can explain what it is and why it's so important. The CM wasn't assisting in line-jumping, they were making a child's special trip important. And most likely, the CM was chatting with them while waiting for the group in front of you to finish and learned about their dinner reservations.We like to make the trips for children on MAW as magical as possible and spend as much time with them as we can. I know because I do this everyday, several times a day. We recently had an entire community that brought about 20 children to Disney on a MAW trip and we let them go see the characters before other people in line.
I know all about "Make A Wish". This was not the situation. And since CM's are not robots, they will do things for people outside of their job description. Since you weren't there, you have no idea what was going on. They ran up to where we were standing and after they got their picture they ran away. They were talking about being late for a dinner reservation the whole time...as in "Thank you so much, we really didn't want to miss our reservations."...all the while huffing and puffing from running in. It was clear what was going on. Maybe you wouldn't let someone line jump for a dinner reservation, but since you are only one person, you can't speak for all. I am a volunteer for over 10 organizations. That's what I do. I do not work and I go without so I can help others. So, you don't have to preach about a "lack of understanding". How about your lack of knowledge on this particular incident? Are CM's suppossed to deny pin trades? No, but they do. Are they supposed to be rude to guests? No, but they are. It's called being human! Like most people, you are commenting from your perspective, but since you weren't there...once again...you have no idea.
BTW...I remember reading several of your posts about other CM's making your job difficult, because they don't follow the rules and guests getting mad at you, because you do.

[crazyred11588]

I know all about "Make A Wish". This was not the situation. And since CM's are not robots, they will do things for people outside of their job description. Since you weren't there, you have no idea what was going on. They ran up to where we were standing and after they got their picture they ran away. They were talking about being late for a dinner reservation the whole time...as in "Thank you so much, we really didn't want to miss our reservations."...all the while huffing and puffing from running in. It was clear what was going on. Maybe you wouldn't let someone line jump for a dinner reservation, but since you are only one person, you can't speak for all. I am a volunteer for over 10 organizations. That's what I do. I do not work and I go without so I can help others. So, you don't have to preach about a "lack of understanding". How about your lack of knowledge on this particular incident? Are CM's suppossed to deny pin trades? No, but they do. Are they supposed to be rude to guests? No, but they are. It's called being human! Like most people, you are commenting from your perspective, but since you weren't there...once again...you have no idea.
BTW...I remember reading several of your posts about other CM's making your job difficult, because they don't follow the rules and guests getting mad at you, because you do.


I don't think she was intending to say that she knew all about the situation, I think she was looking at it from the perspective that that is the only reason they are technically allowed to and since she sees it so often that she is just assuming. I think we all need to take a breath and not get so worked up. Yes, line jumpers really stink, but you can't let them ruin your vacation or get you worked up.

[Polynesian Dweller]

I think we all need to take a breath and not get so worked up. Yes, line jumpers really stink, but you can't let them ruin your vacation or get you worked up.
Thank you for those rational comments. This is one of those topics that get people really worked up and I think we all agree that line jumping is a problem. But, you are right you can't let it ruin your vacation or cause it to flame each other here. My sense is that we're all on the same side on this one.

[bdm@pga]

I guess it depends on the situation, but I agree with almost everybody....Me and my son wait for my wife and daughter to use the rest room...thats not line jumping in my opinion..sometimes I will tell the people behind me that I am waiting so they are not surprised. But I too have experienced the Brazilian Line Jumping team in action...when the tour guide gets in line and right as they enter the line, the entire group..20-30 people...jump in. I have said something and with the help of the rest of the line have stopped that in the past. It has nothing to do with nationality, nothing to do with language, it's JUST NOT RIGHT:number1:

[mrmcgiv]

That would get me pretty worked up too unfortunately..it is just how I am! I would not let it ruin my vaca, but I might be really annoyed for a few minutes. Like you said CMs are not robots and this MAY WELL not have been a make a wish situation. It may have been a CM doing this and it was not a MAW situation. I am sure this happens at times and maybe they broke the rules or had what they thought were special circumstances etc They(CMs) are different people, with different judgement and will not do all things the same or right...and many are young kids, not to bash kids, but thye may not have the same judgement as someone w/ a little more experience. However, I am wondering if a CM pulls someone ahead of line for a special circumstance (MAW or otherwise) if there is some kind of protocol for the ppl they go in front of. Certainly they may not announce This is a special MAW situation and draw a lot of attn to the person...but perhaps there may be a tactful way to say that this group/person has special circumstances to move ahead and I am escorting them for the day, I am sorry for the inconvenience. Is there a protocol for this. INstead of talking baout missing the dinner ADR??


I know all about "Make A Wish". This was not the situation. And since CM's are not robots, they will do things for people outside of their job description. Since you weren't there, you have no idea what was going on. They ran up to where we were standing and after they got their picture they ran away. They were talking about being late for a dinner reservation the whole time...as in "Thank you so much, we really didn't want to miss our reservations."...all the while huffing and puffing from running in. It was clear what was going on. Maybe you wouldn't let someone line jump for a dinner reservation, but since you are only one person, you can't speak for all. I am a volunteer for over 10 organizations. That's what I do. I do not work and I go without so I can help others. So, you don't have to preach about a "lack of understanding". How about your lack of knowledge on this particular incident? Are CM's suppossed to deny pin trades? No, but they do. Are they supposed to be rude to guests? No, but they are. It's called being human! Like most people, you are commenting from your perspective, but since you weren't there...once again...you have no idea.
BTW...I remember reading several of your posts about other CM's making your job difficult, because they don't follow the rules and guests getting mad at you, because you do.

[jaredkari]

I did not want to offend anyone with this thread, and I don't want to but here is I guess my personal policy and whether or not you agree with it is up to you...

You do not get in line until your entire party is there to wait too. You ask the kids before you get in line if they need to go to the bathroom, you finish up anything else you are doing before you get in line as a group. You don't cut corners by having one member of the group wait in a line while the other members wait in another and then cut in front later. I understand there are some who due to physical problems cannot wait in line that long, but WDW has plenty of wheelchairs and motorized carts available. In elementary school we learn not to cut in line or save spots in line for others, I remember getting in trouble for that in the lunch line.

That is my personal policy and I guess I just have to stick to that and allow others to do what they feel is fair. :mickey:

[luvmyboys4ever]

I don't think she was intending to say that she knew all about the situation, I think she was looking at it from the perspective that that is the only reason they are technically allowed to and since she sees it so often that she is just assuming. I think we all need to take a breath and not get so worked up. Yes, line jumpers really stink, but you can't let them ruin your vacation or get you worked up.


Well, we all know what "assuming" does. As, I stated in my post, my son wasn't upset and we just let it go. It didn't ruin my vacation and I never said it did. I was commenting on my experience...that's all. You relive experiences when you write them down...especially after a long time of not thinking about them. That does not mean you're "worked up" or letting it "ruin your vacation". It just means, oh yeah...remeber that time....
Some people just feel the need to always be right, which in unfortunate. It makes posting a bothersome thing, instead of a fun thing. Also, my response was not about her opinion of the situation, it was her assertion that, that is what indeed happened. And the little jab that I should look it up. What was that? How dare she "assume" I don't know what MAW does. And since you can't tell tone or inflection from the written word, you have no idea if I am "worked up"...there goes that "assuming" again. People are human and they will read the written word in the tone they give it...not necessarily the way it was intended.

[Ian]

I think people need to relax a little bit. It's one thing if 10 people are actively trying to cut in line in front of you, but if you're getting worked up because two members of a four person family got in front of you in a line you might be vacationing in the wrong place.

In regards to the CM who helped that family make their dinner reservations, I find it sort of ironic someone would complain about that because I can completely envision people complaining that a CM wouldn't help them get that last autograph for their child so they could make their dinner reservation.

I look at that as making some magic for that family and would have been perfectly happy to let them in in front of me.

Same with a family taking a child to the restroom. I love the suggestion that you "Just ask the child before you get in line if they have to go." Either that came from someone without kids or someone with 18 year olds, because I can tell you that accomplishes nothing with a 6 year old. They'll tell you no one minute and yes 3 minutes later.

Again, people need to put things into context. Is blatant line jumping (i.e. cutting) a big deal? Absolutely and I encourage everyone to report it if and when it happens. But seriously ... to get so fired up because 2 people joined up with their family in front of you ... that's a little ridiculous, IMO. It's Disney World for heaven's sake. Lighten up!

[luvmyboys4ever]

In regards to the CM who helped that family make their dinner reservations, I find it sort of ironic someone would complain about that because I can completely envision people complaining that a CM wouldn't help them get that last autograph for their child so they could make their dinner reservation.


Who would complain about that? I mean really. Who would have the nerve to say, "My child wasn't allowed to cut the line!" Why would anyone think that, just because they have reservations, they should cut the line? So, their "magic" should infringe upon the "magic" of all the other people waiting in line? It doesn't make sense. If everyone with reservations cut in line, it would be a bad day...no matter if you're in Disney or Shangri-La.

[teambricker04]

I am currently at WDW with my family... DH, myself, and our two sons that are nearly 4 and 1.5 yo. One of my big issues with this is week is LINE CUTTING. I normally don't find it such a big deal, but when people are cutting and plowing my kids over to the point of my eldest being knocked to the floor (we usually hold on to the younger one). This hasn't happened just once, but MANY times. Mostly by people from other countries and tour groups which leads me to think that it may be okay where ever they are from to do this. We have found that if we are not standing right on top of the people in front of us, someone will fill in the space. Really, if your party went on with out you wouldn't common courtesy be to stand at the end of the line and wait at the end for them? Sure. An excuse me would be nice. And stop plowing over little kids... it is bad enough their heads are right at butt level.

[joanna71985]

However, I am wondering if a CM pulls someone ahead of line for a special circumstance (MAW or otherwise) if there is some kind of protocol for the ppl they go in front of. Certainly they may not announce This is a special MAW situation and draw a lot of attn to the person...but perhaps there may be a tactful way to say that this group/person has special circumstances to move ahead and I am escorting them for the day, I am sorry for the inconvenience. Is there a protocol for this. INstead of talking baout missing the dinner ADR??

What I do for MAW/GKTW families is I will have them wait by the exit. I will then ask the next family in line if it's ok if the family can go ahead of them. If it isn't, I will ask the next family. 99% of the time, the first family will be perfectly fine with that.

[SamG]

You do not get in line until your entire party is there to wait too. You ask the kids before you get in line if they need to go to the bathroom, you finish up anything else you are doing before you get in line as a group.I'm guessing you haven't traveled with kids (those younger than 6). As mentioned, you can ask them one minute and it's "no", five minutes later they're doing the "dance". To say nothing of lines that are an hour or longer.

You don't cut corners by having one member of the group wait in a line while the other members wait in another and then cut in front later.Agreed. Although I thought about it when my family split up... the girls in line to meet Daisy and my and DS in line to meet Chip & Dale. The girls finished just before it was our turn.


I understand there are some who due to physical problems cannot wait in line that long, but WDW has plenty of wheelchairs and motorized carts available.But those wheelchairs & carts aren't generally allowed in the que lines. Granted, there's usually a "handicapped" entrance that (sort of) puts them at the front of the line.

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

What I do for MAW/GKTW families is I will have them wait by the exit. I will then ask the next family in line if it's ok if the family can go ahead of them. If it isn't, I will ask the next family. 99% of the time, the first family will be perfectly fine with that.

Which is what we are supposed to do. However, I have had Guests say no, and another yelled at me for asking such a thing (Mickey at Christmas). They said to me, "I don't care who they are with, my time is much more valuable than theirs!" And then she shoved her daughter forward to meet Mickey and shoved the book in his hands. Needless to say, the family behind them let the MAW take as much time as they wanted.

[Ian]

Who would complain about that? I mean really. Who would have the nerve to say, "My child wasn't allowed to cut the line!" Why would anyone think that, just because they have reservations, they should cut the line? So, their "magic" should infringe upon the "magic" of all the other people waiting in line? It doesn't make sense. If everyone with reservations cut in line, it would be a bad day...no matter if you're in Disney or Shangri-La.I guess I just don't sweat that kinda stuff. Honestly, I just can't possibly imagine getting lathered up at letting someone in front of me so their child could get an autograph he wanted and they could still make their dinner reservations.

That sounds more like common courtesty than line cutting, to me.

But hey ... that's just me ...

[joanna71985]

Which is what we are supposed to do. However, I have had Guests say no, and another yelled at me for asking such a thing (Mickey at Christmas). They said to me, "I don't care who they are with, my time is much more valuable than theirs!" And then she shoved her daughter forward to meet Mickey and shoved the book in his hands. Needless to say, the family behind them let the MAW take as much time as they wanted.

Are you serious?! I can't believe someone would say such a thing. How sad. :(

[luvmyboys4ever]

I guess I just don't sweat that kinda stuff. Honestly, I just can't possibly imagine getting lathered up at letting someone in front of me so their child could get an autograph he wanted and they could still make their dinner reservations.

That sounds more like common courtesty than line cutting, to me.

But hey ... that's just me ...

We didn't even say a word when this happened, so "lathered up" is not what happened at all. We just stood there and waited, got our pic and autograph and left. Where did "lathered up" come from?

Am I "lathered up" over the fact that someone called my character into question, without even being there? Maybe. Am I "lathered up" about the incident itself? No, I was just sharing a story. Posts are filled with judges. How about just letting someone share their experience without judging them? If someone doesn't agree...fine, but don't accuse someone of having a "lack of understanding" for sick children. That's crossing a line. That is what I am responding to.

As for common courtesy...how about not cutting in front of people to begin with? How about going to dinner and coming back, or planning your day at little better? I wouldn't even think of cutting in front of people for something as trivial as a reservation.

But hey...that's just me...

[mrmcgiv]

Originally Posted by Ian
In regards to the CM who helped that family make their dinner reservations, I find it sort of ironic someone would complain about that because I can completely envision people complaining that a CM wouldn't help them get that last autograph for their child so they could make their dinner reservation.

Sorry to further this debate but if my kid needed a last autograph and we would not get it unless we asked a CM to assist us in moving ahead of the line or miss our dinner ADR..well I just tell my child "I am sorry, but the line is simply too long and we have to get to dinner, maybe next time." That phrase is probably said by parents at WDW 1 million time a day..literally. And then we have probably all witnessed the aftermath at disney...MELTDOWN! We had to pass on a last ride we wanted to do, we had to pass on seeing Alladin and Jasmine at MK (or whoever is by the flying carpets) etc becasue we had to make our ADR and we did not have time to wait.

I would happily let someone go in front of me as Captain Jessica asked as she explained above for MAW or truly special circumstances, but not to make an ADR. If someone Cm asked me if they could help a guest cut line to get to thier ADR....I would be astounded..and say NO! The next thing we know we will have a line of people for the CM that needs to put them in front of the line so they can make their ADR/Show time etc.

[gueli]

We didn't even say a word when this happened, so "lathered up" is not what happened at all. We just stood there and waited, got our pic and autograph and left. Where did "lathered up" come from?

Am I "lathered up" over the fact that someone called my character into question, without even being there? Maybe. Am I "lathered up" about the incident itself? No, I was just sharing a story. Posts are filled with judges. How about just letting someone share their experience without judging them? If someone doesn't agree...fine, but don't accuse someone of having a "lack of understanding" for sick children. That's crossing a line. That is what I am responding to.

As for common courtesy...how about not cutting in front of people to begin with? How about going to dinner and coming back, or planning your day at little better? I wouldn't even think of cutting in front of people for something as trivial as a reservation.

But hey...that's just me...

to start- having just read your comments in this thread- I did not make the 'assumption' that you were 'lathered up' at the time of this incident. Based on the wording of your posts that to me they come off as defensive and that you are worked up (at least online).
Your comment to Cap'nJessicaSparrow- she did not say this was the case, all she said was "the only time we are allowed..." She did not say YOU did not know what MAW was, but that if you didn't know than here was some ways to find out more. She did assume one thing that the CM was doing the right thing- not going beyond what the policy is. She said when CMs are offically alowed to aid in a 'line jump'. That did not mean the CM followed the policy.from her post she said "And most likely, the CM was chatting with them while waiting for the group in front of you to finish and learned about their dinner reservations." I do not believe that this is an assumption- in her mind this is the most likely scenerio for the CM to have interviened. That does not make it the case.
No one is questioning your character. When you post are there plenty of judges- & people who read into posts, of course there are. you state " It makes posting a bothersome thing, instead of a fun thing." I tend to believe that when people comment- they are not judging me- they are engaging in a conversation and possibly a healthy debate. I am not making a presumption that you do not know this.
I read your story. I have read your posts after that. Defensive is how I percieved these posts based on the terms and words you used. I also understand this may not be what you intended, it is however what I precieve based on your wording. Am I judging you- I do not believe so. You relayed a story. You were there.
I have a question or 2 about the story...
Were the people who were helped by the cm at the start of the line? Had you seen them on the line? my guess is that they were on line, somewhere behind you, and that they did not think when they got on line that it would take sooo long. But again I was not there- I am only trying to get a better understanding.

I also belive that you are correct- that no one should have the right to infringe on anyone elses "magic". And to further that comment- not that it was the situation with your story- to me- it would not be an infringement for someone who is there for a MAW stay that if they needed to be in front of my family- that it would be my honor and part of my magic to aid them on their journey.

In conclusion- Line cutting stinks.:mad:

sometimes in life you cannot sweat the little things. :)
Have a nice day
:mickey:

[Ian]

I would happily let someone go in front of me as Captain Jessica asked as she explained above for MAW or truly special circumstances, but not to make an ADR. If someone Cm asked me if they could help a guest cut line to get to thier ADR....I would be astounded..and say NO! The next thing we know we will have a line of people for the CM that needs to put them in front of the line so they can make their ADR/Show time etc.Okay, see and I would. That's just me. I personally would rather wait an extra 2 minutes in line and let a child get that final, special autograph he or she needs. That's a tradeoff that I'm more than willing to make. Sure you can take things to the extreme and worry about lines of rampaging guests trying to cut lines to make their ADR's, but honestly ... that's pretty unlikely to occur.

But maybe that child is on a once-in-a-lifetime trip to WDW and maybe they're going home tomorrow and if he/she doesn't get that autograph they never will. Maybe this is the family's first time in WDW and they didn't know they needed to "plan better." Or maybe time just got away from them (as it often does in WDW) and they didn't realize how late it was getting.

Either way, waiting an additional 2 minutes in line is certainly not going to hurt me and, if it's going to make a little magic for their child, it seems like 2 extra minutes well spent, IMO.

See, we feel responsible for making magic for people just like we expect the CM's to do. We give away Fastpasses sometimes, let children come up and share our parade or fireworks viewing spot, let families join up in front of us in line ... heck, sometimes I even pick up other people's trash. ;)

[mrsgaribaldi]

Here's a story that will make everyone happy. DH and I were going to get in line for Prime Evil Whirl. After about a minute it became apparent to us that the people in front of us and behind us were together. It was a little boy and a woman in front of us and a man and somebody else behind us. The little boy was saying for them to come up to him. I said to them, go ahead. The father said, get ready, NO THANK YOU. WE ARE TRYING TO TEACH OUR SON THAT WE WAIT OUR TURN IN LINE, WE DON'T CUT. You could have knocked me over with a feather. :mickey:

[Carol]

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[dumbo_buddy]

I did not want to offend anyone with this thread, and I don't want to but here is I guess my personal policy and whether or not you agree with it is up to you...

You do not get in line until your entire party is there to wait too. You ask the kids before you get in line if they need to go to the bathroom, you finish up anything else you are doing before you get in line as a group. You don't cut corners by having one member of the group wait in a line while the other members wait in another and then cut in front later. I understand there are some who due to physical problems cannot wait in line that long, but WDW has plenty of wheelchairs and motorized carts available. In elementary school we learn not to cut in line or save spots in line for others, I remember getting in trouble for that in the lunch line.

That is my personal policy and I guess I just have to stick to that and allow others to do what they feel is fair. :mickey:

agree.

[dumbo_buddy]

Here's a story that will make everyone happy. DH and I were going to get in line for Prime Evil Whirl. After about a minute it became apparent to us that the people in front of us and behind us were together. It was a little boy and a woman in front of us and a man and somebody else behind us. The little boy was saying for them to come up to him. I said to them, go ahead. The father said, get ready, NO THANK YOU. WE ARE TRYING TO TEACH OUR SON THAT WE WAIT OUR TURN IN LINE, WE DON'T CUT. You could have knocked me over with a feather. :mickey:

i think i would have kissed that guy!

[jaredkari]

I'm guessing you haven't traveled with kids (those younger than 6). As mentioned, you can ask them one minute and it's "no", five minutes later they're doing the "dance". To say nothing of lines that are an hour or longer.


Yes, on our last trip we traveled with our nieces ages 4 and 7. We had them go to the bathroom before we got in line, we waited as group, we didn't cut in and out of line. If one had to go once we were in line we lost our spot. I think that is only fair.

[handmaidenofprincesses]

You do not get in line until your entire party is there to wait too. You ask the kids before you get in line if they need to go to the bathroom, you finish up anything else you are doing before you get in line as a group. You don't cut corners by having one member of the group wait in a line while the other members wait in another and then cut in front later.

This doesn't always work, unfortunately. My 6 yr old niece has a medical condition that has her running to the bathroom every ten minutes... if she had to wait in a long line, there would be no choice for her but to run out and in again.


Okay, see and I would. That's just me. I personally would rather wait an extra 2 minutes in line and let a child get that final, special autograph he or she needs. That's a tradeoff that I'm more than willing to make. ...See, we feel responsible for making magic for people just like we expect the CM's to do. We give away Fastpasses sometimes, let children come up and share our parade or fireworks viewing spot, let families join up in front of us in line ... heck, sometimes I even pick up other people's trash. ;)

I'm with you, Ian, but I think, in the end, it comes down to personality. And with everyone's personalities being so different, Disney will never be able to accommodate them all.

We're just going to have to try and be understanding and flexible and let some things go! :mickey:

[#1donaldfan]

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YEAH, I agree with moving on...I was waiting on a moderator to step in....thanks !!:mickey:

[starflyer59]

I don't mind the ones that are joining a party ahead (especially if it is a parent with a kid-bathroom break). It is the older kids that try to sneak by on the outsides of the line slowly cutting in front of everyone (really bad on the pirates ride). The queue is so wide and everyone stands in the middle leaving the outsides open and these kids just squeeze by til they get to a large group and cant go any further. We are a family of five and we all stand side by side to try to take up the width of the line and even put out elbows to stop some kids. I have confronted the kids cutting, but they tell me they are just going up there and point to the front.

I have cut by on the side in pirates, mainly because the people were walking sooooooo slow like they just had all the time in the world.

I am thinking to myself "don't you realize there are 300 people behind you and very few people in front of you and you are on a Sunday stroll"

Pirates is kind of different queue than other rides and sometimes there are families that hold everyone up because they are walking so slow.

[mjm12000]

I think line jumping is line jumping regardless of the reason. It is unfair if you are 20 people on a tour joining one person who waited in line or a family of 4 meeting up with yoru mom or dad. If you are doing something else then wait until your entire party is ready and then get in line. Why should everyone else have to wait longer in line so someone else can not wait. I don;t care what the reason or who you are or think you are. If you are not ready to get in line then don't get in line, wait until your entire party is ready. By saying it is ok for someone to allow their family or friends to join them it opens the door for everyone else to do the same thing. It adds waite times to the lines plain and simply regardless of why you are doing it. Remember this next time you decide to let half your party get in line while you use the washroom or sit in the shade or buy a drink, everyone else in that line waited, we didn't get to go have a washroom break or a drink or sit down we waited so what on earth makes you think that you are somehow more special or deserving of special treatment, if you don't want to wait in lines then don't go to places like Disney where you know you will be expected to wait. Show some consideration of your fellow humans who may also be on their one and only trip or their 20th trip who may have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to spend time having fun. Fair is fair plane and simple, if you want special treament then spend the extra money for a private tour, otherwise go potty, get your drink sit in the shade all you wish but do it before you get in line just like the rest of us do.

and PS before people start saying well maybe you don't have kids etc, remember you had kids by choice and with that choice comes certain responsibilities and one of those is teaching them through example that rude behaviour and thinking you are somehow exempt from or above the rules we all follow is just further propagating the problem.

[Stu29573]

I think line jumping is line jumping regardless of the reason. It is unfair if you are 20 people on a tour joining one person who waited in line or a family of 4 meeting up with yoru mom or dad. If you are doing something else then wait until your entire party is ready and then get in line. Why should everyone else have to wait longer in line so someone else can not wait. I don;t care what the reason or who you are or think you are. If you are not ready to get in line then don't get in line, wait until your entire party is ready. By saying it is ok for someone to allow their family or friends to join them it opens the door for everyone else to do the same thing. It adds waite times to the lines plain and simply regardless of why you are doing it. Remember this next time you decide to let half your party get in line while you use the washroom or sit in the shade or buy a drink, everyone else in that line waited, we didn't get to go have a washroom break or a drink or sit down we waited so what on earth makes you think that you are somehow more special or deserving of special treatment, if you don't want to wait in lines then don't go to places like Disney where you know you will be expected to wait. Show some consideration of your fellow humans who may also be on their one and only trip or their 20th trip who may have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to spend time having fun. Fair is fair plane and simple, if you want special treament then spend the extra money for a private tour, otherwise go potty, get your drink sit in the shade all you wish but do it before you get in line just like the rest of us do.

and PS before people start saying well maybe you don't have kids etc, remember you had kids by choice and with that choice comes certain responsibilities and one of those is teaching them through example that rude behaviour and thinking you are somehow exempt from or above the rules we all follow is just further propagating the problem.

This sums up my thoughts exactly.
Ok, that was my two cents...now I'm off to other threads, never to return!:D

[Jasper]

I just read the entire three pages of posts on this topic and it all ultimately comes back to what it always comes back to and that is "what is the definition of line jumping?" And before everyone jumps in with an answer to that question, please understand I am asking a rhetorical question that really does not have a good universal answer.

As long as this situation exists we are going to continue having some people get worked up when they perceive that someone has "line jumped" while others will look at the exact same situation and not see any problems! The best we can hope to do is to peacefully agree to disagree.

As for my two cents worth, we were just at WDW, arriving January second and leaving January tenth. During that time we had a couple of blatant line jumpers that we dealt with by blocking their forward progress and then telling cast members who in each case escorted the line jumpers out of the area. (I don't know if the culprits were asked to leave or merely to start over.) During that time we also had some people who were very nice and asked politely to pass us by to catch up with their parties. Since those people were nice about it we didn't have any real issues with them and allowed them to pass.

In reading over the responses in this thread I can see that depending on who is doing the looking that the recommendations of how to handle the situation would be quite varied. I believe it is exactly this kind of quandary that Disney probably finds itself in and as a result they have chosen to take a hands off approach unless something happens or someone complains. Obviously I don't know this for a fact but I suspect that to be the case.

[Granny Jill A]

Okay. I'm going to clear this up really fast because I really don't like the lack of understanding. The only people who are given priority for characters are people with Make a Wish. If you don't know what that is, then you need to look it up......

Aren't the folks with Make A Wish issued name tags? I saw several groups with MAW when I was down there last month.

[grumpyguy]

sore subject..i try to exhibit more patience at wdw than in the real world...i have experienced
line jumpers on trips and have not said anything,just kind of gave scary looks if eye contact with one of the party in question.i'm on vacation and trying to relax so i let it pass so far.we should be allowed to throw them in with the crocs on jungle cruise!!

[MississippiDisneyFreak]

Aren't the folks with Make A Wish issued name tags? I saw several groups with MAW when I was down there last month.

I really didn't want to get back into this one but after I read Granny Jill A's post I have to say-
We also saw several MAW groups on our December trip and yes they had on tags and some had t-shirts.....and like Forrest Gump said, that's all I've got to say about that.:D

[Granny Jill A]

Pirates is kind of different queue than other rides and sometimes there are families that hold everyone up because they are walking so slow.

I walk slow in the queue because it's so dang dark in there :blush:, but I certainly don't mind people whizzing by me in line. Just as long as they don't knock me down. :D

[joanna71985]

Aren't the folks with Make A Wish issued name tags? I saw several groups with MAW when I was down there last month.

Yes. GKTW and MAW kids usually have large round buttons on.

[luvmyboys4ever]

Okay, so the 2 minutes you give up is no sweat off your back...fine...if you were the only person in line. You don't have the right to decide for the rest of the line, just because you're in front.
Characters are on a time limit. As someone pointed out to me, that 2 minutes stopped the last people on line from getting their special autograph. Maybe that person had a child who would only see WDW once in their lifetime...and they were leaving for home...and this was their last autograph...of their favorite character. So, they should lose their chance at "magic", because they were foolish enough to do the right thing and wait in line?
You never know who is affected by your actions. Just because you can't see what happens after you leave, doesn't mean nothing happens. That's why I try to do the right thing. Not because it makes me feel good(which it does), but because I know my life has a ripple effect that lasts long after I've left the area...it might be small, but it's there. I just like knowing that what happens after I leave, is in no way negative because of my actions.

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

Okay, so the 2 minutes you give up is no sweat off your back...fine...if you were the only person in line. You don't have the right to decide for the rest of the line, just because you're in front.
Characters are on a time limit. As someone pointed out to me, that 2 minutes stopped the last people on line from getting their special autograph. Maybe that person had a child who would only see WDW once in their lifetime...and they were leaving for home...and this was their last autograph...of their favorite character. So, they should lose their chance at "magic", because they were foolish enough to do the right thing and wait in line?
You never know who is affected by your actions. Just because you can't see what happens after you leave, doesn't mean nothing happens. That's why I try to do the right thing. Not because it makes me feel good(which it does), but because I know my life has a ripple effect that lasts long after I've left the area...it might be small, but it's there. I just like knowing that what happens after I leave, is in no way negative because of my actions.

If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.

[Carol]

If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.That certainly varies. We've been in line for autographs before and had the CM cut the line in half and turn people away that had been waiting.

[luvmyboys4ever]

If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.

What? Did I say it was the CMs fault? No.
I was commenting on another post made by another person...seperate from the original post. It had nothing to do with CMs.

The topic was, if a "guest" lets someone cut. They are taking time away from the person waiting in line. That person shouldn't have to wait for the next round, if they were in line. To make things clear...the people in line would have made the cut off(characters break), if the 2 minutes weren't used by a line cutter. If they didn't have the 5 minutes to wait, they will have missed their "magic" moment, due to someone else thinking their moment is more important.

Also, back then the Power Rangers left for more than 5 minutes, when it came time for the Stars & Motor Cars Parade.

Once again, thank you for misreading the situaton :thumbsup:

[RedHead]

Again, people need to put things into context. Is blatant line jumping (i.e. cutting) a big deal? Absolutely and I encourage everyone to report it if and when it happens. But seriously ... to get so fired up because 2 people joined up with their family in front of you ... that's a little ridiculous, IMO. It's Disney World for heaven's sake. Lighten up!


But if each pair in front of me lets two more people in, people who are off doing things while I'm waiting patiently in line, I'm now in line twice as long as before. My sister and I usually go - and we stand in line together. If each parent/child set in line in front of me lets the other parent/child join them, the 30 people in front of me becomes 60, and my 20 minute wait becomes 40 - and meanwhile, half of those people have been off doing something else while I BBQ in the Florida sun.

No. You want to go with your party that joins the line? Go to the back of the line with them.

Fairiness makes me lighten up. :thumbsup:

[RedHead]

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This doesn't always work, unfortunately. My 6 yr old niece has a medical condition that has her running to the bathroom every ten minutes... if she had to wait in a long line, there would be no choice for her but to run out and in again.


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To clarify - I don't have a problem if the parent/child had been in the line - and the young child declares they need "to go" - and the one parent takes the child out while the other (or other adult/older child) stays as placeholder. This isn't line-jumping - the people were there intially, and the child (or even occasionally the adult!) suffering from TB (tiny bladder) politely explains to the ones in back of him to "'scuse me, gotta use the facilities." People see them leave - so coming back isn't so much cutting as returning to the scene of the crime.

:party:

[joanna71985]

If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.

Actually, not always. The Power Rangers are among a few characters that only come out about once an hour (so they are out for 15-20 minutes, then don't come back almost 60 minutes later). And their lines aren't hard-closed. The attendants have to do a soft close for the Power Rangers. The Cars used to be that way too (now they are out continuously). This also goes for characters like Peter Pan, Belle in Epcot, and so on. So if you miss the character, you will have a long wait to see them again.

[Iluvpooh]

That certainly varies. We've been in line for autographs before and had the CM cut the line in half and turn people away that had been waiting.
Happend to us at EPCOT in November-The CM came up to us and said the family in front of us was the last family(what rotten luck) and she turned about 10 of us back and then stood at the end of the line.
I do understand that Jessica does know what the CM are supposed to do, but that does not mean that every CM follows the rules.

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

Actually, not always. The Power Rangers are among a few characters that only come out about once an hour (so they are out for 15-20 minutes, then don't come back almost 60 minutes later). And their lines aren't hard-closed. The attendants have to do a soft close for the Power Rangers. The Cars used to be that way too (now they are out continuously). This also goes for characters like Peter Pan, Belle in Epcot, and so on. So if you miss the character, you will have a long wait to see them again.

Not sure about the PR or Peter, but I know when I was with Pere Noel, I saw attendants hard-closing the line for Belle and Beast after the last set. I can't understand why they wouldn't hard close the PR lines though....that's asking for complaints. Granted, their line usually closes when they open. They should have an indoor location to make it easier.

[joanna71985]

Not sure about the PR or Peter, but I know when I was with Pere Noel, I saw attendants hard-closing the line for Belle and Beast after the last set. I can't understand why they wouldn't hard close the PR lines though....that's asking for complaints. Granted, their line usually closes when they open. They should have an indoor location to make it easier.


I'm sorry, I guess I should have been more specific about something. The Power Rangers are the only one with a soft close (Peter Pan, and other face characters do get a hard close usually. I should have been more clear). But yeah, I don't like it. I wish we could hard-close their lines. But it is impossible to do so, unfortunately.

[Here we go again...]

I have cut by on the side in pirates, mainly because the people were walking sooooooo slow like they just had all the time in the world.

I am thinking to myself "don't you realize there are 300 people behind you and very few people in front of you and you are on a Sunday stroll"

Pirates is kind of different queue than other rides and sometimes there are families that hold everyone up because they are walking so slow.
I have severe arthritis and move slow at times. It is a good day if I can actually walk for the whole day in the park.
When I get in line, whether it is POTC or Soarin' or any other ride with a wide que, I do not think it is fair when others walk around me. Yes, I am moving slow and I am sorry.... but when I get in that line, I am the next person in line. By going around me, you make my wait longer.
I do not mean you personally, I am just using your statement to make a point. I hate it when people walk around me, I fell bad for being unable to walk already, that just makes me feel worse.
Again, not intended to offend, just make you think and see things from my perspective.

[Melanie]

This is yet another MODERATOR ALERT! :cop:

If you happened to miss it, please review Carol's (PolyGirl40s) note on the previous page. :yes:

FYI - we only close threads as a last resort, and this IS a topic that can be discussed civilly. I have deleted the most recent posts which were off-topic and contained bickering/banter amongst members. This is NOT allowed on INTERCOT. Everyone needs to step back, take a deep breath, and consider the feelings, opinions and experiences of your fellow INTERCOTees.

Thank you and let's return to the topic at hand. :)

[mrmcgiv]

It seems they handle it this way most of the time..BUt in Dec we were at DHS and we went to Black Power ranger for my son and got to get the pic and all. Then we went to the pink power ranger for my daughter..we waited in line, we were SECOND in line and the CM said "sorry folks we only have time for one more". I was shocked b/c I thougth they usually closed the line so this did not happen. IN this case my DD was upset b/c DS got to see HIS power rangers and she did not. In the end that is lofe and she got over it. She IS 7, had she been 4 it may not have gone over well. BUT they were bopth very upset and disappointed and did not want to leave the line, until they realized they were not going to get thoer autograph..which they did not! Even thought the rule must be to close the line, it unfortunately does not always work like this.

But in this example had someone let a child who was on their ONE special WDW trip, or it was thier last chance to get their fave characters autograph..well if someone had let that child in line it would have been at the expense of my children, who waited in line, not getting their chance to meet with the pink power ranger. That is the ripple effect and is VERY UNFAIR.


If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.

[crazypoohbear]

:pixie::pixie::pixie:I Personally have no problem with people meeting up with their group already in line. As long as it's not one person holding the line for six. I also don't care if that person is at the bathroom, getting a drink or getting off another ride, it doesn't matter to me, meet up, enjoy the magic.

I do have a problem with people who jump the line who are not meeting up with their people.

I, too would not have a problem with a CM helping a person make a dinner reservation or whatever. IT's all about magical moments, the CM in question, may have just decided to make a magical moment, Isn't that what we all love about disney?
I have had bus drivers call ahead when I have been on the bus and running late for an ADR. They don't havet to do that, they just do, it's magical.
I have let people with kid's having meltdowns get in line for food before me, I look at it as a benefit to everyone in the place, they kids are cooled off, fed, and quiet, to me it's a win win situation for everyone in the place.

WHen I have been late getting places,people have let me go first, it is common curtesy, making magic, being polite, whatever you want to call it.

As for the line doubling if EVERYONE let someone join them, well that isn't a realistic scene, so I can't see that ever happening.

I enjoy making magically moments for others, just as the CM's do. IT's wonderful to see the look on a childs face, or the look of gratitude on the adults face who was just saved from another meltdown.
SO, spread a little pixie dust and enjoy your moment
:pixie::pixie:

[mrmcgiv]

Wow, sorry to hear that people walk right past you in line. I would never dream of passing someone by in line when they go slow or for any other reason. In the end, the lines stop - go - stop - go - stop - go . Even though you go slower I am sure you catch up to the lines USUALLY stop to load etc which allow syou to ctach up. And who would have the right to go in front of you? Sorry you had to deal with that, it is unfortunate.


I have severe arthritis and move slow at times. It is a good day if I can actually walk for the whole day in the park.
When I get in line, whether it is POTC or Soarin' or any other ride with a wide que, I do not think it is fair when others walk around me. Yes, I am moving slow and I am sorry.... but when I get in that line, I am the next person in line. By going around me, you make my wait longer.
I do not mean you personally, I am just using your statement to make a point. I hate it when people walk around me, I fell bad for being unable to walk already, that just makes me feel worse.
Again, not intended to offend, just make you think and see things from my perspective.

[mrmcgiv]

I am furthering this debate here and if this needs to be deleted that is OK.

First there is just too much gray here, it is not black and white. I personally would not send Dh and Ds off to get in line while I took DD to the bathroom and then hop in line with them as if they held a spot for DD and myslef. To me that is not fair. IF we got in line and waited and had a 911 bathroom run and ran right back I would probably come back in line (as one perosn said, ppl see ya leave, pple see ya come back). But this is an example of the grey area here. Some people might not think a 911 bathroom run is fair to leave line and get back in. I personally would NEVER have DH and DS waiting line while I took DD to do something else and then hop in line with them. To me, that is just wrong. Sure it seems to be sahring the magic and letting everyone have as much magic as possible, but it is just not fair..there are rules for a reason. In a perfect world it may work OK, but it is far from a perfect world. HELP ME HERE: DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE IS AN OFFICIAL RULE ON LINE HOLDING? Also, it may seem ok for 2 ppl to hold a spot for one person, but not for two people to hold a spot in line for six. Again, this is why there are rules. WHO decides the arbitrary number of peopole needed to hold a spot and for how many people. When is it OK and not OK? Is three people the cut off or six or 10 when it become ufair? Too much gray.

HELP ME AGAIN: ARE ANY AND ALL CMs GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT WISHES OR IS THAT JUST THE DREAM SQUAD? It seems all fine and good for a CM to be able to help someone cut line to make an ADR or a show or whatever but where does it end? And what situations are OK and what are not? Then we have to consider people are not all honest..if it was OK to ask a CM to help you cut line to make an ADR then I am sure some ppl would take advantage of that. I have a feeling that most CMs do not have this authority to do this and probably should not do this. I can just see this getting out of control. And NOT fair to the people in line behind them! Some people do not mind if a CM helos a person cut for an ADR...and some people DO mind and think it is unfair. Porbably why I think/hope there is a rule that all CMs are not arbitrarily allowed to help people cut in line. Look at this debate.....we can see all of the varying opinions. and allowing CMs to do so would result in many unhappy people and complaints.

And then taking it one step further...I think it open the door for even more problems when other guests take the liberty of letting people cut line to make an ADR or to stop a meltdown of a hungry kid or to share the magic or for some other reason. Unless of course there is a short line of people behind them and ALL of the people in the line DO NOT MIND! If someone in front of me asked me to let a kid in front of them to stop a hungry meltdown I would say fine and hope all would agree. But when ya have a line of 30 it just does not work. What if the 5th kid in line is about to have a meltdown too?? And someone lets a crying kid in line..now that kid may just go over the edge! It is again just too much gray.

I am not mean and enjoy helping others and witness other people helping others etc But I just think there needs to be some parameters. I am a big advocate of fairness....maybe to a fault sometimes..but this situation seems like there is just too much gray and better dealt with in balck and hwite with rules..if and when possible.

As for the busdriver that called ahead for the late ADR, that was a situation in which nobody was cut in front of or delayed...that was a nice courtesy.. I say good magic!!!


:pixie::pixie::pixie:I Personally have no problem with people meeting up with their group already in line. As long as it's not one person holding the line for six. I also don't care if that person is at the bathroom, getting a drink or getting off another ride, it doesn't matter to me, meet up, enjoy the magic.

I do have a problem with people who jump the line who are not meeting up with their people.

I, too would not have a problem with a CM helping a person make a dinner reservation or whatever. IT's all about magical moments, the CM in question, may have just decided to make a magical moment, Isn't that what we all love about disney?
I have had bus drivers call ahead when I have been on the bus and running late for an ADR. They don't havet to do that, they just do, it's magical.
I have let people with kid's having meltdowns get in line for food before me, I look at it as a benefit to everyone in the place, they kids are cooled off, fed, and quiet, to me it's a win win situation for everyone in the place.

WHen I have been late getting places,people have let me go first, it is common curtesy, making magic, being polite, whatever you want to call it.

As for the line doubling if EVERYONE let someone join them, well that isn't a realistic scene, so I can't see that ever happening.

I enjoy making magically moments for others, just as the CM's do. IT's wonderful to see the look on a childs face, or the look of gratitude on the adults face who was just saved from another meltdown.
SO, spread a little pixie dust and enjoy your moment
:pixie::pixie:

[Mickey91]

As long as someone is actually meeting their group, I don't mind the cut. Honestly, it is much better when the little ones come up once the line is almost at their party. I know its WDW and I can tolerate a lot of whining kids, but the less the better.:mickey:

[CaptainJessicaSparrow]

Mods are right, let's move on. I wasn't saying that anyone had a lack of understanding personally and as I said, I used the term "you" loosely to refer to anyone. I quoted posters because I was responding to the situations they talked about. Sure, I assumed it was a MAW and for all we know, it still very well could have been because not all families wear the buttons or hats or shirts because they don't want the added attention or sympathy from strangers. They'll just simply ask and show us the GAC card for MAW and we let them through.

To sum it up, blatant line jumpers stink. Have a nice day.

[Roland]

People who line jump are the rudest of the rude when it comes to ruining a moment at Disney...or anywhere else for that matter!!!

They just don't seem to understand that 'spot saving' or 'placement holder' is the same thing as removing someone from the cutoff point in the line.

Let's say you're in line for Festival of the Lion King on a busy day. For the sake of argument, let's say the capacity is 800 people. Now, there's a family 'placeholder' standing in line holding the spot for another FOUR people. So, the 'rude family' has not kicked four people from the cutoff figure of 800 people.

You are not out of line for getting so angry!! :thedolls:

Somehow, people think Disney is such a wonderful place that the laws of physics or courtesy seem to be transformed into pixie dust and therefore plentiful!!!

Disney Cast members use to have the freedom to enforce those rules and yes, if you are saving a spot for your family and they 'jump the line', then you are violating park rules.

You wouldn't like it if you were at a 'first come, first serve' special sales at the mall and the 'rude family' used a placeholder for the remaining members of their family.

[tjstrike]

What I think and what somebody else thinks line cutting is are always 2 different things. I'm not a rude person and I'm not an angry person, but there always seems to be a rude person that cuts in line and there's always an angry person there to tell them about it.

[LoriMistress]

First, I want to say I do have a problem with line jumpers....it's just wrong. You are taught/or teach that you are to wait your turn.

That said, I have had two instances that I remember to the detail about line "jumpers". One was at MGM. My family was in line for Muppets and there were a group of girls behind us. There was also a group of girls in front of us. I felt like they were together, but no one was trying to pass us, so they were not together. To my left I kept getting pushed. I finally turned around and asked the girl, "are you with that group in front of us"....she shook her head no and then gave me a look like I had three heads when I asked her to stop pushing me and try to get past me.

The other incident was just this past trip (December). It really was not a line jumper per se, but you might agree with me that it was wrong (and you might disagree). DS and I got in line for Primeval Whirl. There was a man and a young girl in front of us. We were about halfway thru the queue (it was a 60 minute wait mind you, so the queue was pretty full). This woman walks up about 3/4 of the way thru our wait and joins her DH and daughter. My son looked at me and said "mumma, they jumped in line, that is bad"....he said it loud enough for the woman to hear. I just told him that they were together and left it alone. About a minute later the woman looks at me and asks if I had a problem with her jumping in with her family. I politely told her that I try to teach my son that you need to wait in line for your turn and that jumping ahead of people is not right. She then looked at him and said "kids today are so rule oriented" (yeah, direct quote). She further told him how it is OK for she and her other daughter to jump in line with the rest of their family because they were in another line to see Santa Goofy and then they came straight there to join them. So that made it OK she said.

THAT is what I have a problem with.....if you are doing something else then you are doing something else! Wait until you are done and THEN get in line together! It's not like the little girl had to go to the restroom -- they were off doing something else halfway across the park!

She looked at me and smiled after she justified herself to my 6 year old. :mad::mad::mad: I told him we would disucss it after we got off the ride, which we did. DH said he could not believe that I let it go! I said I didn't want another Teacups incident!! He just looked puzzled and I told him to let it go -- we were good.

I'm known for being direct and that can get me in trouble at time. I would have made a comment to the woman about how pathetic she is that she has to justify her behavior to a six-year-old child. If she said anything else, I would have responded, "Whatever helps you sleep at night, honey."

[crazypoohbear]

I just want to clarify that when I speak of a child melting down while in line at a CS I am talking about a family that is right behind me, not at the back of the line and I invite them to cut everyone, I am only inviting them to cut ME and my family.
This to me is common courtesy, like when you are in a long line for the bathroom and you see someone "doing the dance", I would ask if they want to go ahead of me. Same thing for a pregnant lady in the bathroom line.

Also, the dream squad is gone now so that is not a factor. the CM's all are capable of making magic moments, small ones. I think if a CM overheard a conversation that "sorry honey, we can't get that last autograph because we are running late for out dinner reservations,I know we are leaving in the morning and won't get back but, we have to go" IF the CM overhears this and decides to make a moment for that family I would think that was wonderful. I don't' think a CM would do this if a family walked up and said "blah blah blah" It's when you overhear a conversation and feel that you can spread a bit of pixie dust that makes things special.









I am furthering this debate here and if this needs to be deleted that is OK.

First there is just too much gray here, it is not black and white. I personally would not send Dh and Ds off to get in line while I took DD to the bathroom and then hop in line with them as if they held a spot for DD and myslef. To me that is not fair. IF we got in line and waited and had a 911 bathroom run and ran right back I would probably come back in line (as one perosn said, ppl see ya leave, pple see ya come back). But this is an example of the grey area here. Some people might not think a 911 bathroom run is fair to leave line and get back in. I personally would NEVER have DH and DS waiting line while I took DD to do something else and then hop in line with them. To me, that is just wrong. Sure it seems to be sahring the magic and letting everyone have as much magic as possible, but it is just not fair..there are rules for a reason. In a perfect world it may work OK, but it is far from a perfect world. HELP ME HERE: DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE IS AN OFFICIAL RULE ON LINE HOLDING? Also, it may seem ok for 2 ppl to hold a spot for one person, but not for two people to hold a spot in line for six. Again, this is why there are rules. WHO decides the arbitrary number of peopole needed to hold a spot and for how many people. When is it OK and not OK? Is three people the cut off or six or 10 when it become ufair? Too much gray.

HELP ME AGAIN: ARE ANY AND ALL CMs GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO GRANT WISHES OR IS THAT JUST THE DREAM SQUAD? It seems all fine and good for a CM to be able to help someone cut line to make an ADR or a show or whatever but where does it end? And what situations are OK and what are not? Then we have to consider people are not all honest..if it was OK to ask a CM to help you cut line to make an ADR then I am sure some ppl would take advantage of that. I have a feeling that most CMs do not have this authority to do this and probably should not do this. I can just see this getting out of control. And NOT fair to the people in line behind them! Some people do not mind if a CM helos a person cut for an ADR...and some people DO mind and think it is unfair. Porbably why I think/hope there is a rule that all CMs are not arbitrarily allowed to help people cut in line. Look at this debate.....we can see all of the varying opinions. and allowing CMs to do so would result in many unhappy people and complaints.

And then taking it one step further...I think it open the door for even more problems when other guests take the liberty of letting people cut line to make an ADR or to stop a meltdown of a hungry kid or to share the magic or for some other reason. Unless of course there is a short line of people behind them and ALL of the people in the line DO NOT MIND! If someone in front of me asked me to let a kid in front of them to stop a hungry meltdown I would say fine and hope all would agree. But when ya have a line of 30 it just does not work. What if the 5th kid in line is about to have a meltdown too?? And someone lets a crying kid in line..now that kid may just go over the edge! It is again just too much gray.

I am not mean and enjoy helping others and witness other people helping others etc But I just think there needs to be some parameters. I am a big advocate of fairness....maybe to a fault sometimes..but this situation seems like there is just too much gray and better dealt with in balck and hwite with rules..if and when possible.

As for the busdriver that called ahead for the late ADR, that was a situation in which nobody was cut in front of or delayed...that was a nice courtesy.. I say good magic!!!

[LoriMistress]

Come on people...can we drop the issue already. A moderator has stepped in TWICE. They'll lock the thread if people to clarify/debate/defend/etc. LET IT GO!!!!

[hubbyofadisneyholic]

Personally, I think line jumpers should be tied down and forced to go thru IASW over and over and over again...:D

[tyandskyesmom]

The Fairies only takes 3 FAMILIES/PARTIES at a time. So it doesn't matter if the group is one person, or 10 people. Your wait time would not have been affected because you still would have to wait for the same amount of families to enter Pixie Hollow.


The fairy's may only admit three families at a time but it does matter how many people are in each party in relation to how long you wait. Becasue if a family of three went in they woudl naturally finish quicker than a family of ten. I noticed in November/December that this line was the worst offender of sending a dad to wait in line for the fairys and mom taking the kids to see princesses. Then joining back into the fairy line. At least every other family was doing this and telling other families behind them to do it...I heard it so I know it is true. And that did cause us to have to wait a long time to get in to see them.

And we got pictures with both of the kids and seperate pictures so it is not just a group picture being taken. It may be what is "supposed" to happen but it doesn't.


It is not line cutting when you are joining a party member that went ahead to get a spot in line. Some people can't stand that long for health or such reasons. If you have little kids it's nice for you to break up and let someone rest, get a drink or get out of the sun.


Yes it is. Most often the cutter is not an elderly or handicapped person...in fact in all of my maybe 15 visits, I do not think I have ever had someone handicapped or elderly ask/try to cut in line to meet their party...I have little kids and they stand in the sun and wait or they do not go on. That is a choice they make...




You do not get in line until your entire party is there to wait too. You ask the kids before you get in line if they need to go to the bathroom, you finish up anything else you are doing before you get in line as a group. You don't cut corners by having one member of the group wait in a line while the other members wait in another and then cut in front later. I understand there are some who due to physical problems cannot wait in line that long, but WDW has plenty of wheelchairs and motorized carts available. In elementary school we learn not to cut in line or save spots in line for others, I remember getting in trouble for that in the lunch line.


Perfect! I completely agree!



I love the suggestion that you "Just ask the child before you get in line if they have to go." Either that came from someone without kids or someone with 18 year olds, because I can tell you that accomplishes nothing with a 6 year old. They'll tell you no one minute and yes 3 minutes later.


I have a 10 and a 4 year old...the 10 year old has been going since he was 2 and the 4 year old since she was 2 months...both have potty trained while in the World...and the question is asked before getting in line. They have always been told that if they have to go while we are in line that we will have to get out of line and start over...we have never had an accident and we have never had to leave a line for the bathroom...it does work...it just takes parents who are willing to make it work.


Sorry to further this debate but if my kid needed a last autograph and we would not get it unless we asked a CM to assist us in moving ahead of the line or miss our dinner ADR..well I just tell my child "I am sorry, but the line is simply too long and we have to get to dinner, maybe next time."

If someone Cm asked me if they could help a guest cut line to get to thier ADR....I would be astounded..and say NO! The next thing we know we will have a line of people for the CM that needs to put them in front of the line so they can make their ADR/Show time etc.

Me too!


But maybe that child is on a once-in-a-lifetime trip to WDW and maybe they're going home tomorrow and if he/she doesn't get that autograph they never will. Maybe this is the family's first time in WDW and they didn't know they needed to "plan better." Or maybe time just got away from them (as it often does in WDW) and they didn't realize how late it was getting.

Either way, waiting an additional 2 minutes in line is certainly not going to hurt me and, if it's going to make a little magic for their child, it seems like 2 extra minutes well spent, IMO.


It certainly would not and should not ruin your trip but for us, it is more a matter of decency and doing the right thing. I teach my children to do the right thing. And when I have to keep explaining to my child why that other family is allowed to cut in line because those little kids did not want to sit and wait to see Tinkerbell and those parents did not want to help their children sit and wait for Tinkerbell it gets very difficult. They don't want to sit inside a boring hallway watching the same movie clips over and over any more than the other kids but they do it because it is the right thing to do. Because I help they entertain themselves, because i travel with a deck of cards or dice and help them make up games to pass the time. Unfortunately, we have become so obsessed with what the easy way out is pertaining to parenting and that has a lot to do with bigger issues...this is just a tiny one!


Yes, on our last trip we traveled with our nieces ages 4 and 7. We had them go to the bathroom before we got in line, we waited as group, we didn't cut in and out of line. If one had to go once we were in line we lost our spot. I think that is only fair.

That's how we do it too!

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[tyandskyesmom]

I think line jumping is line jumping regardless of the reason. If you are doing something else then wait until your entire party is ready and then get in line. Why should everyone else have to wait longer in line so someone else can not wait. I don;t care what the reason or who you are or think you are. If you are not ready to get in line then don't get in line, wait until your entire party is ready. By saying it is ok for someone to allow their family or friends to join them it opens the door for everyone else to do the same thing. It adds waite times to the lines plain and simply regardless of why you are doing it. Remember this next time you decide to let half your party get in line while you use the washroom or sit in the shade or buy a drink, everyone else in that line waited, we didn't get to go have a washroom break or a drink or sit down we waited so what on earth makes you think that you are somehow more special or deserving of special treatment, if you don't want to wait in lines then don't go to places like Disney where you know you will be expected to wait. Show some consideration of your fellow humans who may also be on their one and only trip or their 20th trip who may have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars to spend time having fun. Fair is fair plane and simple, if you want special treament then spend the extra money for a private tour, otherwise go potty, get your drink sit in the shade all you wish but do it before you get in line just like the rest of us do.

and PS before people start saying well maybe you don't have kids etc, remember you had kids by choice and with that choice comes certain responsibilities and one of those is teaching them through example that rude behaviour and thinking you are somehow exempt from or above the rules we all follow is just further propagating the problem.

Exactly...and when you chose to have those children (as I did) you chose to parent them.


Okay, so the 2 minutes you give up is no sweat off your back...fine...if you were the only person in line. You don't have the right to decide for the rest of the line, just because you're in front.
Characters are on a time limit. As someone pointed out to me, that 2 minutes stopped the last people on line from getting their special autograph. Maybe that person had a child who would only see WDW once in their lifetime...and they were leaving for home...and this was their last autograph...of their favorite character. So, they should lose their chance at "magic", because they were foolish enough to do the right thing and wait in line?
You never know who is affected by your actions. Just because you can't see what happens after you leave, doesn't mean nothing happens. That's why I try to do the right thing. Not because it makes me feel good(which it does), but because I know my life has a ripple effect that lasts long after I've left the area...it might be small, but it's there. I just like knowing that what happens after I leave, is in no way negative because of my actions.

Exactly...that is another thing I am trying to make my kids realize. Everything you do, everything!, affects someone or something else. While a MAW trip is truely a special thing, and I believe most people would not have a problem with that family going ahead, it still does affect those people at in line. I have had one instance behind a MAW family...actually we were two families behind. The family in front of us was not asked if it would be ok...and how did that CM know if that family was not running late for an ADR or not...and the MAW family spent about 20 minutes with Sorcerer Mickey. And do you know who spent the most time with Mickey? NOT the MAW child...the rest of the family! Then Mickey needed some cheese so we had another five minute wait on top of the wait we had already been in line for. I saw a lot of kids leave that line crying because we had all been waiting too long for one family to see Mickey.


If you are in a line, you will meet the characters. They won't stop you in the middle of the line for more than 5 or so minutes. If you leave the line because you didn't want to wait the 5 minutes, then that's not our fault. But everyone in a line will meet the character. We only turn away people after we have officially closed the line and have a CM standing at the end.

Not entirely true. Power Rangers are timed. The characters in around Main Street and around the hat in MGM are all on rotation...I don't know how many times we have waited in a ling line to see someone only to be two from the front and have the character change to someone we had already seen.



But if each pair in front of me lets two more people in, people who are off doing things while I'm waiting patiently in line, I'm now in line twice as long as before. My sister and I usually go - and we stand in line together. If each parent/child set in line in front of me lets the other parent/child join them, the 30 people in front of me becomes 60, and my 20 minute wait becomes 40 - and meanwhile, half of those people have been off doing something else while I BBQ in the Florida sun.

No. You want to go with your party that joins the line? Go to the back of the line with them.

Fairiness makes me lighten up. :thumbsup:

I agree...and while it may not be something that happens all of the time, it is possible. And i did pretty much watch that exact thing happen while waiting to see the Fairys.

Another thing...isn't it funny that whenever there is a post about wheelchairs/scooters and the bus everyone jumps on the "why should families have to be seperated" bandwagon but if families are so worried about being seperated while in Disney on vacation then why do we have so many families voluntarily seperating to wait in seperate lines, or to take kids to bathrooms, or to get fast passes, or to cool off, or to rest, or whatever...one discussion voids at least half of another...and that would eliminate at least one of these regularly heated discussions! :mickey:

[thumperbug]

ok...my 2 cents.

If 2 people are on line and 2 join them because someone had to make an emergency potty break...FINE

If 2 people are on line and 2 join them because they were on line at another attraction. NOT FINE

If a bunch of people are trying to tell you they are meeting up with a group or a large group just feels like cutting in-NOT FINE AND FIND A CM

I think CM need to moniter the lines better. I also think guests need to speak up when they see bad line etiquette. I'm sorry, but I don't buy the whole thing about groups who don't speak english and think that its ok to cut lines...they see everyone else on line...its not like they don't see how it works.

[Seasonscraps]

I believe in lines and waiting your turn. I think everyone in the party should get on line together. If someone in the party needs to hit the restroom, get a snack, pick up fastpasses or anything else that cannot be done from the line then everyone should wait.

About to miss an ADR, sorry. I know it's a magical world that should transcend time but it doesn't. People should keep track of where they need to be when. If you have an 11.30 ADR - don't get on a line at 11.00 with a 20 minute wait.

Instead of telling people that waited on line that it's only 2 minutes, you're on vacation and in the happiest place on earth so be happy to let others go. Why not take the approach that It's only a few minutes of my time and is that really worth annoying people?

I don't mind letting someone back in the line because of a bathroom emergency - they happen to everyone. But it's not an emergency until you get on the line, before that you just have to go. ;)

Just so no one thinks I am a complete ogre...

I let little kids get in front of me at parades and squish over to make room for people.

I stand on the buses so kids, parents with strollers or anyone else can have a seat.

I try to not sit in front of kids in theater shows so I don't block their view.

I have never seen a MAW person but of course would have absolutely no problem letting them go ahead.

[Goes4FastPass]

Rule of thumb... It is not line cutting when you are joining a party member that went ahead to get a spot in line. Some people can't stand that long for health or such reasons. If you have little kids it's nice for you to break up and let someone rest, get a drink or get out of the sun.

Now if someone justs sneaks in line that is a different story.

If you think the rule of thumb above is wrong then I am sorry and guilty as charged. But I will continue to do what has been practiced in my family as well as others. No matter if you are the only one in your party or you have 10. You will still be waiting the same amount of time.

CM's will not break up families because someone in their party joined them.

I think you're using the wrong thumb - and I'm not sure your rule is Disney's rule. Placing a line holder in the queue then having the rest of the party join him/her at the end of the wait creates line jumping.

Isn't is better to get everybody pottied and fed and shopped and rested then everybody gets in the queue together?

[MstngDrvnDsnyLvr]

WOW....I think this subject has now been beat to death.

Will someone please bury the dead horse?!?

[dumbo ears]

the best way to get your point out to line jumpers that I have found is the yell "LINE JUMPERS" very loudly. lol. its worked for me

[MNDisney Dad]

Line jumping if you are saving a spot in the front row for a parade (Boo to You) while others go on an attraction?

[joanna71985]

Line jumping if you are saving a spot in the front row for a parade (Boo to You) while others go on an attraction?

I don't think that's right (especially if one person is saving a huge chunk of space). Everyone should be there together (at the most, 1-2 people leaving for bathroom breaks, to get a drink, ect).

[Seasonscraps]

Line jumping if you are saving a spot in the front row for a parade (Boo to You) while others go on an attraction?


I don't think that's right (especially if one person is saving a huge chunk of space). Everyone should be there together (at the most, 1-2 people leaving for bathroom breaks, to get a drink, ect).


I agree. One time I was waiting for a parade with 2 people - we mostly sat there and waited together for the hour or so for the parade to start. If someone had to use a restroom or wanted to get some cookies (it was during a MVMCP event) they went alone.

But I noticed someone with a line of coats on the floor saving a big chunk of space for people not there.

[MNDisney Dad]

I guess I should have clarified. 3 of the 5 people in our group were waiting for the parade while the other 2 were on the attraction. Not to say this would justify anyones position. Just wondering others position for our next visit.

[Ksmith75]

We had a situation at Tower of Terror - there were about 15 teens in line in front of us...and there was maybe only 10 people behind us. Then low and behold a group of 10+ teens come and cut through rudely to their group of friends. I said excuse me - but they dont listen, they just pushed on through and were loud and obnoxious. We were close to the front of the line, so it didnt impact our wait, but I was still ticked. A CM saw them, but just shugged his shoulders at us...I actually felt bad for him - the kids were pushy and rude to him too....they only got on the elevatore right before us - so they really didnt save any time. I think they thought if they were big enough jerks - no one would do anything, and I wasnt about to get into a confrontation and ruin my day.....

[Goes4FastPass]

...and I wasnt about to get into a confrontation and ruin my day.....

This really sums it up. WDW is a big place with big crowds and I don't respond well to rude people, especially when I'm hot and tired, like I too often let myself get while at WDW. But I do better if I tell myself, "I'm on vacation and I'll still be on vacation when this [annoying person] is gone a minute from now."

[adoptionislove]

That is a great attitude to have, GOES4FASTPASS!!!!! I love it!!!

[peemagg]

When it comes to people trying to push by me rudely, I tend to block their way and not let them through. I am a woman who is as strong as some men so I tend to hold my own in those situations.

Now if they politely asked to join the rest of their group I will most likely let them by.

[Imagineer1981]

1) Did you
. . . say anything to a CM?
. . . say anything to the line jumpers?
. . . try to cut back in front of them?
2) Things don't get better if they are not mentioned.

Agreed, you must say something. The only time line jumping is ok for me is when its a kid who had to go potty or something like that. 6 teens trying to catch their friends is unacceptable