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em-n-mia's-mommy
09-24-2008, 11:52 PM
I just got back a few hours ago and was pondering something. We were standing in line in the Magic Kingdom for the Tommorrowland Speedway.

As we were standing in line for several minutes we had 6 people pass us in line to get in front of us to be with two people who were standing right in front of us. Then to top, as I am giving this lady a look like "what in the heck are you doing?", she says to me "I am not passing you because we are with this party of two people in front of you!". I was like ummm yeah that is line jumping. So I was a bit annoyed at this point.

Then we get up to get onto the ride and I tell the CM that they jumped us in line. He thought it was because he let two other people that were with them ahead of us to keep their party together. I said no they passed us wayyy back there. He says oh okay but i am trying to keep the partys together. Well he assigns us our cars, and our party of 4 people got separated.

This is not the first time during the trip that we had people passing us in line going i am with so and so up there. This was just the most extreme. Had it been one person I do not think I would have minded, but 6! It was my thought that this was line jumping, but who knows I could be wrong. So what in your opinion is line etiquette?

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Sadly, we are taught not to interfere or say anything.

Why?

Because the cutting guests will go to Guest Relations and complain about how rude the CM's are and you know what will happen? They'll get attraction re-entry passes for their entire party and probably extra.

Yeah, it stinks. Yes, it's unfair. The best thing you can do is go to Guest Relations yourself and tell them how ridiculous the whole thing is. At Universal, you cut in line and you get kicked out of the park.

ojeilatan
09-25-2008, 01:26 AM
I'm sorry to hear that! Unfortunately, there are always some willing to ruin the magic of Disney just to make their trip a tiny bit quicker.
I have to agree with the above post - it's most likely what would have happened. Just know you are better then those people, and didn't ruin someone's day!

CleveSJM
09-25-2008, 05:56 AM
Disney must learn to deal with this. The CM can yell back to the line, "Did these people cut?" and when 50 irrate "good" guests yell "YES!" it should be documented and that CM rewarded. Yes, rewarded for making 50 guests happy and the bad guests disciplined.

How does Universal do it?

We had the same thing happen at TSM. About 10 people joined up with 4. Not cool. The rule should be 1 adult or 1 adult and 2 under 10 year olds at most allowed to "catch up" to others in line. And I say rule specifically. Not a guideline, a hard rule.

Until this happens, everyone go to Guest Relations an complain. Get the re-entry passes and extra. Then they'll realize the problem...

PS - Line cutting and smoking in the public areas are the biggest reasons "I'm grumpy because "you're" dopey." :-)

WeLuvBuzz
09-25-2008, 07:18 AM
Just a thought, but what if the people in line just said to the would be line jumpers I am sorry, but I will not allow you to pass me as I have waited in line to be at this point and you have not. Perhaps in the future you should wait to get in line for an attraction when your whole party is ready.

As a side note, we travel to the world quite frequently as a party of 8 to 10. As I have the world's smallest bladder I make quite a few pit stops. We either all get in line together or meet up at the end. One time we were in line for pirates and this couple in bride and groom ears worked their way ahead of about 50 people. With those ears on it was really obvious and the whole line was talking about how rude they were. It was really obnoxious.

BigRedDad
09-25-2008, 07:24 AM
Busch Gardens in Virginia has a cutting policy when I was there last Summer. They escorted you out of the park. They didn't throw you out, but you had to go back and re-enter. It is a nice waste of about 30 minutes and to the back of any line when you get to a ride.

In this situation, the two people should have let others pass until the rest of the party caught up. Unfortunately, our society no longer expects, teaches, or represents RESPECT. We are in a ME generation. It is going to get drastically worse until it gets better. I think this recession or depression we are headed towards will hopefully change this social injustice.

One other thing, this is a perfect opportunity to provide your children and other children around you with a life lesson. In a voice loud enough for everyone around you to hear and the violators to hear, teach them that it is disrespectful to cut in line. Tell them the proper thing to do is wait for the entire party before entering or have the people ahead wait until the rest of the party reaches them. The public embarrassment to the violators will be funny and the others around you that agree will applaud you for it.

Marker
09-25-2008, 08:24 AM
I agree, it can be absolutely maddening. However, in the scope of things, being push back 2 or 3 ride vehicles is not really worth getting so worked up you lose your "happy" for the day, or you start a fight of some sort.

Unfortunately "Stupid" people are everywhere. Regardless of what Disney does or doesn't do, or what people do or don't do, to me it is probably more important to not let it ruin your day.

And don't fall victim to the temptation to think "well if they can do it, then I can do it". or "I'll show them". The result will likely be consequences directed towards you and you'll end up really ruining your day.

wdwfansince75
09-25-2008, 08:27 AM
Thanks to Fast Pass, and avoiding the Speedway, I don't experience it as much as I once did...however, was once in line for Speedway with one of my DGD's....heard some commotion behind me, and saw a couple of teenagers joining some of their friends.....paused where I was, and waved to the people immediately behind them to join me....had about 12 people "join me" by passing the line junpers and their friends....hope I made a point!

MickeysEars
09-25-2008, 09:08 AM
I would probably just do the "children, don't ever do what hese rude people are doing" and then wait. Who whats to end up in a "Tea Cup" brawl...if you know what I mean. It is not worth ruining your trip over. I would be devestated to have my children witness a fight over a spot in line, but would go as far as to point out to them how wrong it is.

dixielandings
09-25-2008, 09:10 AM
I agree with Marker. This is an annoying situation and it's very rude and inconsiderate to think it's perfectly fine for 1 person to hold a place in line for 12. BUT people are people and when you have to share public space like WDW with so many of them at once, bad behaviour is to be expected. My buttons get pushed repeatedly at the Parks and I have worked on my own patience so that I won't let my day be ruined by anyone! I wish and hope that Disney can come up with a policy that will regulate these kinds of things - rules help people! - but meantime, try to grin and bear it. Or better yet, grin and ignore it.

dizney4me
09-25-2008, 09:16 AM
Have been a reader on this site for years and years without ever registering, but I just had to weigh in on this one.

I'm certain that more often than not, when people jump in line it is nothing more than rudeness. There can be another possibility, though.

In my family there are three people (out of our group of five) who have serious medical issues requiring them to stay out of the sun. When we are stuck in an outdoor line, they have to go sit somewhere in the shade until I reach a point in line which is out of the sun, then come join up with me. To look at them, they all appear completely healthy, so I'm sure people have been annoyed at their "line jumping."

Again, I know this is not the case for many people who cut in line. But when someone jumps ahead of me, I do try to remind myself that there's at least a possibility it's for a medical reason. It may not be the case, but it does help me keep my cool and enjoy my vacation much more!

Diznee4Me
09-25-2008, 09:25 AM
Have been a reader on this site for years and years without ever registering, but I just had to weigh in on this one.

I'm certain that more often than not, when people jump in line it is nothing more than rudeness. There can be another possibility, though.

In my family there are three people (out of our group of five) who have serious medical issues requiring them to stay out of the sun. When we are stuck in an outdoor line, they have to go sit somewhere in the shade until I reach a point in line which is out of the sun, then come join up with me. To look at them, they all appear completely healthy, so I'm sure people have been annoyed at their "line jumping."

Again, I know this is not the case for many people who cut in line. But when someone jumps ahead of me, I do try to remind myself that there's at least a possibility it's for a medical reason. It may not be the case, but it does help me keep my cool and enjoy my vacation much more!

Great response, welcome to Intercot!, and awesome screen name!:thumbsup::D

MississippiDisneyFreak
09-25-2008, 09:30 AM
We had to put up with this on our last trip too and though I agree sometimes the people may have a problem that isn't visible...the poster said 6 people joined a party of 2....I doubt 6 people all had medical problems that weren't apparent...its just plain out rudeness.....I have seen people wait in line while Grandma and a small tot sit to the side and then join right before entrance and that doesn't bother me, its understandable....

dumbo_buddy
09-25-2008, 09:36 AM
i have to admit something....

i cut the line this past weekend.

i'm sorry! i didn't realize i was cutting! DH and i decided to go on the teacups for the first time ever! we couldn't find the line. there was a gate/door/whatever you call it that was open and there was a CM standing there. so we just walked in. he didn't say anything. i just figured that was the entrance.

anywho, after the ride i realized that we had entered thru the exit. the ride wasn't even filled up so i'm pretty sure there wasn't anyone who didn't get on b/c of us.

but i still felt bad. and dumb.

there, i said it. off my chest. sorry!

RBrooksC
09-25-2008, 09:51 AM
I have made "kids" move behind me if they want to cut. It was at Six Flags in NJ. These kids wanted to meet up with their friends ahead of me but they couldn't get by me. I told them I waited in the line 20 minutes and there was no way in hell they were getting in front of me. When they said but their friends were in front of me, I said they were welcome to come back behind me. When he protested more, I suggested that we go together to a park employee and discuss the possibility of him cutting into a line and let them decide who gets kicked out of the park. The child was ****** but he didn't get in front of me.

I abhor cutting in line. You want to be in line as a group or family? Then you WAIT OUTSIDE THE LINE!! So sad, too bad that the wait is getting worse, you need to make a decision, get that Dole Whip or go to the bathroom before or after the ride.

Darbylew
09-25-2008, 09:59 AM
First of all I would like to Welcome Disney4me
to Intercot. :rocks::welcome: You will love it
here. :thumbsup:
We have had people pass us to get with their
party before. I really don't like it but I never
say anything. It is just as well to let them pass
and just chalk it up as rude. We are there for
the Magic and to have a good time so we don't
let that spoil it for us. :mickey:
BEEN THERE, DONE THAT AND GOING BACK IN
19 DAYS!!!!!!!!!:D

TheDuckRocks
09-25-2008, 10:20 AM
I agree, it can be absolutely maddening. However, in the scope of things, being push back 2 or 3 ride vehicles is not really worth getting so worked up you lose your "happy" for the day, or you start a fight of some sort.

Unfortunately "Stupid" people are everywhere. Regardless of what Disney does or doesn't do, or what people do or don't do, to me it is probably more important to not let it ruin your day.

And don't fall victim to the temptation to think "well if they can do it, then I can do it". or "I'll show them". The result will likely be consequences directed towards you and you'll end up really ruining your day.

:exactly: Marker, I couldn't agree with you more! It always amazes me at the things that people let "ruin" their time at Disney.

Faver
09-25-2008, 10:46 AM
Wow... this is a very serious subject. I don't think many people, including myself consider it "line jumping", when you pass a couple of people to catch up to your party.

The last time we were at MK, we were there for EMH in the evening. The line to get into the main gate was large, but bearable. Our party of 4, got seperated with the rush going through the turnstiles. The 2 people ahead of us thought we were right behind them, ends up that were weren't. When we finally caught up about 30 seconds later, they were in line to get EMH wristbands. My DH and I walked up and all started laughing at the fact, we basically go swept up in a wave of people. All of a sudden there's a women yelling in my ear "You cut, know fair, no cutting!!!" I turned to her and said, "No ma'am, this is our party, we just got accidentally seperated by the turnstiles. She kept yelling " No cutting!!"

Remember, this was a line for an attraction, just a line for a wristband, and since our party was 2 older kids and 2 adults, you'd think she'd understand.

I personally think, that's absurd!!!

I've seen people do exactly the same thing and haven't yelled at them for doing so. You don't know what's happening in another person's party. Maybe someone had to use the bathroom, perhaps there is illness, or in our case, being seperated and pushed forward due to the crowd levels.

Relax.... is it really that crucial!!!! You're on Vacation!!!

RBrooksC
09-25-2008, 11:03 AM
I've seen people do exactly the same thing and haven't yelled at them for doing so. You don't know what's happening in another person's party. Maybe someone had to use the bathroom, perhaps there is illness, or in our case, being seperated and pushed forward due to the crowd levels.

Relax.... is it really that crucial!!!! You're on Vacation!!!

If that is the case and somebody needs to use the restroom or get a tasty beverage, then YOU ALL WAIT. Don't get into a line and expect your party to catch up. You should always be only as fast as your slowest person. If your slowest person means you have to wait to get into line, then DO SO.

Don't think you have the right to get in front of me when I have standing idle in a slow moving line because you decided to do something else and your party didn't want to wait for you.

SBETigg
09-25-2008, 11:16 AM
I think the example the OP described is definitely line-cutting and the wrong thing to do. The exception would be with a small child needing the bathroom, or perhaps special circumstances that don't seem to be the case here with your example.

We have also encountered large parties who seem to operate under the logic that one or two people can get in line early and then the rest of the party can join them. Like Marker, we don't let it bother us at WDW, but I agree that it is poor line etiquette.

Faver
09-25-2008, 11:22 AM
If that is the case and somebody needs to use the restroom or get a tasty beverage, then YOU ALL WAIT. Don't get into a line and expect your party to catch up. You should always be only as fast as your slowest person. If your slowest person means you have to wait to get into line, then DO SO.

Don't think you have the right to get in front of me when I have standing idle in a slow moving line because you decided to do something else and your party didn't want to wait for you.

:confused:There wasn't a slow moving line. The line just formed. And since I was going through a turnstile, there wasn't a beverage dispenser, giving out "tasty beverages". Nor did I need a bathroom while walking through the front gates of MK.

I think for the most part, people don't just go and have lunch, while their party waits in line. And then expects for people to let them in line. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Obviously, here and @ WDW, the milk of human kindness is curdling.:secret:

EmISeeKayEeWhy
09-25-2008, 11:24 AM
If you are so rushed to get on a ride and get it over with why bother?
One of the main attributes of a ride (especially in WDW) is the build up. The detail and storyline in queue. If 2 or 3 people need to catch up with their family, so what, it adds 30-60 sec more to your wait? Slow down, enjoy the magic.

Faver
09-25-2008, 11:29 AM
If you are so rushed to get on a ride and get it over with why bother?
One of the main attributes of a ride (especially in WDW) is the build up. The detail and storyline in queue. If 2 or 3 people need to catch up with their family, so what, it adds 30-60 sec more to your wait? Slow down, enjoy the magic.

:mickey: I couldn't agree more!!!

RBrooksC
09-25-2008, 11:30 AM
I am not talking, necessarily, about your situation. I am talking in general.

If a party splits up then that is there problem. If they want to ride together, they should get in line together.

I am a nice guy. However, I resent people who think they can walk half way up a line because their group decided to get into line before the whole group was ready.

A choice needs to be made... get in line now and wait until the bathroom, beverage, whatever or have the members of the group get the things they want and then get into line.

If the group can't decide and splits, then the group is split in line also. The fact that your group decided to split and my group decided to stay together doesn't mean you should have Carte Blanche to get in front of my group to catch up to yours.

Your group is welcome to drop back behind in line as long as the group behind mine will let you.

starflyer59
09-25-2008, 11:37 AM
We was at Hollywood Studios in August and the CM's at Toy Story Mania was telling everyone there would no cutting in line to catch up to your party.

I see alot families that will get in line while one person takes all their tickets and goes and gets fast passes and then that one person expects to cut in front of everyone to catch back up.

Cast members told several people to get in the back of the line for TSM.

EmISeeKayEeWhy
09-25-2008, 11:42 AM
I guess it's just the southern gentleman in me. I'm never in a rush. Many times I'll let people walk ahead of me so I can take in all the detail and not be rushed keeping up with queue. The ride will still be there when i get to it.. eventually :p

LauraleeH
09-25-2008, 12:45 PM
What I hate is getting into the Haunted Mansion. The line goes from big to a one-person line in a matter of seconds...so when some rude people cut me out, they get mad at me when I go around them to catch up with my mom. Um, no, I'm not "line cutting." I'm simply trying to get back to where I was supposed to be before you pushed your way in.

When I go with my family...all 10 of us have to hold hands just to push our way through the mess without getting separated. Sorry, but I want to take my vacation with my family...not random strangers that are trying to push me to the side.

Tinkerfreak
09-25-2008, 01:14 PM
Thanks to Fast Pass, and avoiding the Speedway, I don't experience it as much as I once did...however, was once in line for Speedway with one of my DGD's....heard some commotion behind me, and saw a couple of teenagers joining some of their friends.....paused where I was, and waved to the people immediately behind them to join me....had about 12 people "join me" by passing the line junpers and their friends....hope I made a point!

Love this!!!!!:thumbsup::funny::rotfl::yay:

TheRustyScupper
09-25-2008, 02:17 PM
Sadly, we are taught not to interfere or say anything . . . Because the cutting guests will go to Guest Relations and complain about how rude the CM's are and you know what will happen? . . .

1) I personally know a CM that got in trouble for something close to this.
2) In fact, the CM was fired.
3) It was only through luck and the union that the CM got back.
4) The fact is, a CM is supposed to do his/her job, and that is all.
5) And, the "job" typically does not include disciplining guests.
6) In some respects, WDW is like the Old West, where guests rule supreme.

joonyer
09-25-2008, 02:28 PM
I'll apologize in advance if I offend anyone, but I have a strong black & white opinion about this issue.

Cutting in Line is Cutting in line, and it is WRONG, no matter what the circumstances, whether your party is accidentally split up, or you need to go to the bathroom or have medical issues or some other excuse.
Personally, I don't sweat it though; If someone attempts to pass me to join someone else up ahead, I politely tell them, "Sure, even though I have been waiting, and you haven't, I'll gladly let you go by because I'm a nice person who thinks of others first, unlike most people" or something to that effect. Then they look at me dumbfounded, some of them get embarrassed and red in the face and apologize, and some just ignore me. I can live with it, and it is certainly not worth getting into a physical altercation over. But that still does not make it right, or even ok.

But just because one may choose to excuse a line cutter, or even if you believe that certain circumstances justify it being excused, doesn't make it right behavior. Cutting in line is ethically and morally WRONG, period, and their is no exceptions that make it ethically or morally right, there are only reasons for you to maybe forgive or excuse those who do it.

1. If you want to ride or sit together on an attraction, then GET in and STAY in line TOGETHER. If you get split up accidentally, then find each other BEFORE getting in line or ride separately.
2. If someone in your party has to go to the bathroom, then everyone in your party should wait for them BEFORE getting in line, or else they should be willing to ride separately.
3. If you are already in line and somebody, even a child, has to go to the bathroom, then everyone in the party should be willing to either go to the back of the line, or be willing to ride separately for that attraction. You can always meet up at the exit, it won't hurt you.
3. If the standby line appears too long for your child or other party member to wait before having to have make a trip to the potty, then either go get a fast pass BEFORE getting in line, or come back another time when the line is shorter.
4. If you have trouble standing for the length of time the standby line will take, either go get a fast pass or come back when the line is shorter. Better yet, go rent a wheelchair and wait in line with the rest of us.
5. Just because one has a bladder problem or medical problem or some unusual physical condition does NOT give them a "right" to cut in line, and impose upon or inconvenience other guests.
6. If one honestly and truly has a physical condition that prevents waiting in a que, that still does not give them a right to cut in line, instead they should make arrangements with guest services for special passes. Otherwise, **** it up and join the crowd, in the BACK of the line, like everyone else who follows the rules.

EmISeeKayEeWhy
09-25-2008, 02:41 PM
Guess I'm just in the minority. I figure hey if their experience involves in getting on and off attractions as fast as possible, let them. I rather take my time and enjoy the surroundings. Besides, if an extra 30-60 seconds throws you off schedule because a few people catch up to family, then I'd find some good stress relief quick.

Faver
09-25-2008, 02:54 PM
So much for relaxing while on vacation!

I suppose there will always be two sides to this debate! And I guess I'm in the minority too.

I'd rather see a parent/grandparents/kids, ride It's A Small World, together, and not seperately, even if it's not my party...They shouldn't all have to pay, because Grandma had to suddenly run to the ladies room.

I guess most people would rather have this scenario..., " Okay everyone, , get out of line, because Grandma's bladder is fuller than she thought", and she didn't put enough thought into her bathroom breaks", we'll ride another time!

I've heard of planning, but that's ridiculous:sick:

em-n-mia's-mommy
09-25-2008, 03:16 PM
I'd rather see a parent/grandparents/kids, ride It's A Small World, together, and not seperately, even if it's not my party...They shouldn't all have to pay, because Grandma had to suddenly run to the ladies room.


It was not just one person, but 6. There obviously was no reasonable excuse. Before we got in line for this ride the party was trying to enter the line all with sodas and the CM told them they had to throw it away. It is just plain out unethical to pass people in line no matter what justifications you have for it. That is what a fastpass is for. If you want to get to the front of the line faster, then do not inconvenience other people in the process and get a fast pass. I was also bothered that my own party got separated because of these people that passed us. I have just as much right to keep part of my party together as they did, but they should have done it the proper way. I guess I just have respect for the people in front of me not to pass them.

I did not let it ruin my vacation. Now I actually find it pretty comical. Especially the part where the lady says "I am not passing you because I am with these people in front of you". Stupidity and rudeness reigned with these folks.

Mickey378
09-25-2008, 03:18 PM
I just got back from a fun week myself. On another trip I had 2 teenage girls duck under the "ropes" and cut right in front of my wife and I. I started saying to my wife while clenching my teeth, just loud enough so they could hear me. "oh my god...I can't believe it...they cut....in front .....of us. this makes me so ANGRY...what am I going to DO". One of the girls turns around and sees me..all 250 pounds covered head to toe(litterally) with tattoos, and gives me that oops smile. I leaned over to her and said "get out"....kinda like Mom would do when you did something bad in a store, and she didn't want to yell and make a scene. I really wasn't that mad though, and it was more funny than anything else. they left the line though, and we chuckled.;)

RBrooksC
09-25-2008, 03:20 PM
I'd rather see a parent/grandparents/kids, ride It's A Small World, together, and not seperately, even if it's not my party...They shouldn't all have to pay, because Grandma had to suddenly run to the ladies room.

Yes they should. Again, you should be only as fast as the slowest person in the group. First off, it is only fair to the person who has to go to the restroom. Second, it is only fair to those who are in line not to have other people surf through the line to get to the other people in their party who are too inconsiderate to wait.

I do NOT think I am inconsiderate to not allow somebody to pass by me in line. Again, those people in front of me are welcome to get in line behind me and be together.

You know, I think the word, "NO" needs to enter more people's vocabulary.

No, you can't go ahead and get in line while we wait for Grandma.

No, you can't get ahead of me in line.

No works really well and I do think too many parents today have forgotten how to use that word with their children.

Faver
09-25-2008, 03:50 PM
:beat: OKAY

LauraleeH
09-25-2008, 03:58 PM
6. If one honestly and truly has a physical condition that prevents waiting in a que, that still does not give them a right to cut in line, instead they should make arrangements with guest services for special passes. Otherwise, **** it up and join the crowd, in the BACK of the line, like everyone else who follows the rules.
So just curious, would you say the same thing of someone that has a family member in a wheelchair? Doesn't that mean they'd have to "separate" and make their family wait in line while they got in front?

joonyer
09-25-2008, 04:05 PM
So just curious, would you say the same thing of someone that has a family member in a wheelchair? Doesn't that mean they'd have to "separate" and make their family wait in line while they got in front?

In my experience people with a physically handicapped person in their party are allowed to stay together. This has happened to us. My DW broke her ankle one year while we were at WDW. We rented her a wheelchair and waited in queues like everyone else. When we needed to sit in a special section due to the wheelchair, we were all (4 in our party) allowed to sit with her in that section.

KT1234
09-25-2008, 05:39 PM
I just got back from a fun week myself. On another trip I had 2 teenage girls duck under the "ropes" and cut right in front of my wife and I. I started saying to my wife while clenching my teeth, just loud enough so they could hear me. "oh my god...I can't believe it...they cut....in front .....of us. this makes me so ANGRY...what am I going to DO". One of the girls turns around and sees me..all 250 pounds covered head to toe(litterally) with tattoos, and gives me that oops smile. I leaned over to her and said "get out"....kinda like Mom would do when you did something bad in a store, and she didn't want to yell and make a scene. I really wasn't that mad though, and it was more funny than anything else. they left the line though, and we chuckled.;)


haha^^this is fantastic. The majority of the line cutting that I see at Disney tends to be the parent with a small child scenario. Potty Break, heat, etc and I'm fine with that. I don't allow myself to get irked that easily. Plus, my family has adopted the "standing shoulder to shoulder" scenario as to block their way. If anything, it just makes their journey cutting a little more difficult and it's actually stopped a few.

The thing that really gets under my skin is the teenagers who know full well what they're doing trying to be cool while they're off on their own cutting. There's generally one who's leading the way and they're ALWAYS rude and obnoxious. Usually they jsut need to be embarrassed in front of their friends and they're pretty much back down so I applaud this. These generally are the kids that will also be swinging on ropes, spitting, swearing etc so I think it saves all the other people in line a lot of aggravation.

mrsgaribaldi
09-25-2008, 06:00 PM
I don't know, it doesn't bother me. Maybe if 50 people got in front of me, but even 6 doesn't really effect my waiting time that much. Maybe I'm just oblivious. :confused:Even at work some people get so riled up at things that just don't bother me.
2 weeks ago we saw some people drop out of line and wait for their party to catch up to them, that was shocking;)

MaxPower
09-25-2008, 06:01 PM
It's interesting to note, that unlike everything else in the parks, Disney seems to have no official opinion on this issue. As pointed out, even the cast members have not been giving standard procedures to handle the different variations of line-cutting when they come up.

Universal has a policy, and therefore, it's clear. Perhaps, not surprisingly, Universal has A LOT more teenage park guests, and of course, the need for a policy became apparent.

I wonder what effect would be achieved if along with the "No Smoking" and "Avoid if Pregnanat" signs, some "Line Policy" signs were posted at each Disney attraction stating that all parties must enter together. At the very least, I think the guests in line would feel more confident saying " Read the sign out front; You can't cut in front of me to go meet your party up ahead."

jrpersinger
09-25-2008, 06:03 PM
I have skipped line before... ooopppssss!

I was passing kidney stones. I almost passed out in line. We got to one of the castmember areas and the CM lady let me out of the line and the other lady CM even walked with me to the bathroom to make sure I didn't faint on my way. When I came out of the potty, she waved me over asked me if I was ok or if I needed first aid. I told her I was fine. Then she told me where my family was -- and took me to them.

I didn't ask my family (14 of us this time) to wait for me. And when I came out I was actually going to sit under the railway bridge and wait for them to come off. But sure enough, it was the CM who helped me skip line. She said she didn't want me to miss riding with my entire family... even if we had to go on two boats. I thought it was pretty nice of them.

I don't mind letting one or two people go to catch up with their party. The parent and the kid esp. I am a mom, I understand! The medical issues. After my kidney stone issues there and I also have M/S which makes standing for long periods really hard! Again, I understand! But I would never condone full-out families jumping line to catch up with a couple people who held their spots so they could do something else.

MNDisney Dad
09-25-2008, 07:26 PM
Our family of five sometimes will get split up in line for whatever reason. We just have the group ahead wait until the group behind catches up. We do not expect the trailing group to be able to move up to the forward group. The one that bothers me the most is at Mickeys Philharmagic when people rush to get to the entrance doors first and then stop and sit in the middle of the row. I will just stop where they are and stand and wait to see if they move. If they don't, I make sure to step on all toes as I pass them to get to the end of the row. Gets their attention! Disney in 13 days!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

thumperbug
09-25-2008, 07:43 PM
Line cutters irate me. I don't keep quiet about it either. One or 2 meeting up with their party...no big deal. But I watch to make sure they are actually meeting up with someone. But I see it happens most with groups of teenagers. So rude.

My biggest line jumper complaints are the folks standing behind you....bumping into you every 5 seconds....back of neck breathers who do what they can at corners and turns to try to get around you. I do the ole...stretch the arms out both ways and block em. Or will loudly ask them to stop bumping into me.

But besides the teenagers...I hate to say that a lot of line jumpers...ok downright line cutters are folks who either don't speak english or pretend they don't speak english and kind of do what they want and make their own line or own entrance and when you try to correct them give you a smile like they don't understand you...but you know they really do. You can'te tell me that intelligent folks don't notice the orderly lines....

Serenity...its Disney. Keep in mind...what goes around comes around.:thumbsup:

Marilyn Michetti
09-25-2008, 08:46 PM
Have been a reader on this site for years and years without ever registering, but I just had to weigh in on this one.

I'm certain that more often than not, when people jump in line it is nothing more than rudeness. There can be another possibility, though.

In my family there are three people (out of our group of five) who have serious medical issues requiring them to stay out of the sun. When we are stuck in an outdoor line, they have to go sit somewhere in the shade until I reach a point in line which is out of the sun, then come join up with me. To look at them, they all appear completely healthy, so I'm sure people have been annoyed at their "line jumping."

Again, I know this is not the case for many people who cut in line. But when someone jumps ahead of me, I do try to remind myself that there's at least a possibility it's for a medical reason. It may not be the case, but it does help me keep my cool and enjoy my vacation much more!


There SHOULD be a spot where folks with serious medical issues or the elderly can wait until their family gets to the boarding area. It could be a "claim ticket" type of system, where the family members would be issued a card that would allow Grandpa to join them. It's a breeding ground for abuse, but what isn't?:confused:

WhiteRose1
09-26-2008, 12:23 AM
oh Gee, what a debate!

at POC.. we were wearing mickey bride and groom ears, and the CM spotted us, and asked us to come to the front of the line...this was 5 years ago.. we had to move through the line, (maybe passed 3 groups of people?) We were just before the area were we got on a boat. We got mostly smiles but one guy gave me a dirty look.... but the CM asked us to move ahead to her....she made a big deal over us and gave us our own boat. The line was really short, and only a few people waiting...

For the person who complained about POC and bride ears...was it this issue?

Anyway, my mother has severe authritis, and only rides a few rides...last time she went was over 10 years ago....anyway, then, I was her minder, and stayed with her while my brother and dad went ahead to tell the CMs etc that we were waiting separately, usually near the line exit or handicapped entrance...no one ever gave us an issue and most of them showed us/explained the handicapped extrance or escorted us in the exit to meet up with the family...

Sorry...but I'm not going to try to abuse my mother by making her stand or move through an uncomfortable and painful situation, climb steps, etc just to appease someone who did not realize my Mother's issues...I should not have to explain to everyone in line what I'm doing.

even though we might not have been in line with you the while time..We were waiting.....just not standing in front of your group. (I am glad about that!)

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-26-2008, 12:59 AM
Wow, lots of things I want to respond to here!

Rusty - your friend was fired for allowing them to cut or telling them to move to the back?

We are trained in Ad/Lib and in Entertainment that if people jump the line, let them. If we say something to them, they'll most likely go to GR and complain loud and long enough, and get a bunch of re-entrys, or they will arrange for a PRIVATE meet and greet with the characters. Which is worse for us because we are rewarding them for complaining, rewarding and encouraging them to keep doing their bad behavior. We rather have one family come up once to us and complain about the cutters and give them stuff than the cutters come up and complain and give them stuff every time, at every park.

Also, there is a limit on how many people can be with a wheelchair or GAC party. It's typically 6 people for GAC and the w/c is a judgment call. Any additional Guests with them will need an additional GAC, FP, or go through stand-by.

Which brings me to one of the GAC cards - provide a shaded area. If you have a medical need that you need to sit in a shaded area, one GAC card allows you to wait to the side while your family goes through the regular line (or FP if they have those). Once they meet up with the loader CM, they tell them they have a GAC and there is a person waiting. Then the CM will rejoin the group.

In Entertainment, we only allow one type of line-cutting officially - Make a Wish and Give Kids the World. But we take them to the front and we are supposed to ask the next group in line if they would mind us putting a guest with special needs before them. If the guest says no, we let that group go and ask the next group. Exceptions are Princesses and Mickey (usually). They have an alternate entrance.

CaptSmee
09-26-2008, 01:07 AM
I think the example the OP described is definitely line-cutting and the wrong thing to do. The exception would be with a small child needing the bathroom, or perhaps special circumstances that don't seem to be the case here with your example.

We have also encountered large parties who seem to operate under the logic that one or two people can get in line early and then the rest of the party can join them. Like Marker, we don't let it bother us at WDW, but I agree that it is poor line etiquette.

This steams me when it happens, and it happens everyday there!!! :mad:

MississippiDisneyFreak
09-26-2008, 08:11 AM
I would hope that most people wouldn't mind Make a Wish or people with genuine medical issues...I think the big issue is what the original poster said, when one or two people hold the line and right before entry, 5 to 6 people join them...obviously, these aren't going to be people with medical issues...we had problems on our visit in 2005 with large parties carrying walkie-talkie's when one person in line at a ride or restaurant got ready to board they would call their party on their walkie talkie and they would come running and all jump in line....and a couple of times when people spoke up they acted like they were going to gang up on them so everyone just kind of let them do it...not picking on anyone but it seemed to be a lot of hispanic people doing this...it did get to be frustrating and like said before, the CM seemed afraid to say anything too...they would just look at everyone like they felt bad about it, but never stopped them....I think its awful Disney doesn't allow CM to do anything and this trip, if it happens, I will complain everytime...maybe if everyone does that management will pay attention.:mad:

WeLuvBuzz
09-26-2008, 08:17 AM
FYI, the bride and groom I saw that moved ahead were clearly not asked to. The wait was about 45 minutes and every time the line moved they would cut in front of another group. I know they heard us all talking about them and it was really funny. They probably only ended up about two boats ahead, and seeing as how they were a party of two in the middle of a bunch of families it probably did not help them at all.

If a person is a single I do not have a problem as it could have been a medical issue, or something else requiring immediate attention. They are probably not going to increase anyone's wait time anyway. An elderly person or couple I can clearly see as well as a parent and a child. A group of 3 or 4 or more is just too many in my opinion and they should either wait for the rest of the party to finish the ride, ride it in separate groups, or the front group wait and let others pass.

One time I did pass people in line to meet up with my family, but I had no intention or riding the ride. They were in line for the tea cups (which make me sick). I decided I would rather wait in line and talk with my family then stand by myself, plus I decided to take a picture of them all in the cup before the ride started. I clearly told every person in line that I passed that I was not riding the ride, just going to stand with my family which I did and then walked out the exit with those departing from the previous ride.

big blue and hairy
09-26-2008, 08:45 AM
The amount of people and the situation certainly makes a big difference to me. One or two people catching up with their party, come on. I've done it, and I've had people go past me, not a big deal. Whether it be a bathroom break or getting a bunch of fastpasses, really, is it ruining your experience?

:sulley:

EmISeeKayEeWhy
09-26-2008, 08:58 AM
Both DW and DD qualify for GAC, there are only a few instances when we use them as a family (two adults, 5yo, 7yo, 16yo) and that is when it's on rides we really wish to enjoy as a family (this is mostly the rides such as PP IASW etc), other than that we split up and do, IMO, the right thing by having the healthy of us wait in lines. They are both usually on and off before we get on the ride(mainly because we take it slow and look around at the details in queue) and normally have a drink or snack waiting on us when we get off. It works out well.

brdavis
09-26-2008, 10:17 AM
Hmm... it may be a dead horse, but clearly a lively topic...

There seems to be a lot of talk about "rules" or "etiquette", which I must admit is not something I've really understood well at times. Personally, I've cut in line, running through the whole entry queue on LS because the nearest bathrooms I knew about were *inside*, and the sick child by my side wasn't likely to wait for another solution. Slavishly following rules, or regulations, or guidelines, would result in many folks on this thread saying that should be strongly punished... because the underlying assumptions were certainly not visible to everyone in line, and I did not have time to explain. I've also been tremendously rude to folks once while exiting a movie, to avoid throwing up on them (later came my 1st experience with GS, and an amazingly good one at that!).

Is that the "average" thing to expect? Of course not. But the point is you don't always know the situation or assumptions in all cases, so falling back on some hard-fast set of rules doesn't work very well. In my experience.

Personally, there's a couple of things that cover this for me. From the standpoint of my family, "rude" or "wrong" line-cutters can always serves as a bad example - and do. Out loud in their hearing, well, who cares? I'm *much* more worried about the behavior of my offspring in a world full of different people (that's something I do still have some control over). From the standpoint of my family, I've asked folks if I could get by them to rejoin my party, and if they say yes graciously, I do... and if they don't, I either ride separate or my family waits. By far the most common response we as a family have is to have the "head" of the party wait for the stragglers, for three reasons: (1) we feel that's proper, (2) we're not in that much of a hurry (we're there to enjoy, not stress, ourselves... something a whole lot of adults I've seen in the parks seem to forget), and (3) because it makes other people happy, and thats kinda fun (for me at least). Note that that same point, (3), means when I see a group that is split, I will often initiate "line-jumping", asking them to go ahead of me and making it clear that I'm doing it to help them out. The looks I get (and the future behavior I may just have encouraged), FAR outweigh the few minutes longer wait I may suffer.

I'm a teacher - it's my JOB to improve other peoples behavior ;).

--
Brian Davis

JavaDuck
09-26-2008, 08:59 PM
We were at Disney Studios in August for EMH. We had a fast pass for 12:50 am. We got in line and this family of three were trying to get in with a fast pass from Tower of Terror. He said the Tower of Terror had broke down and that they could use the fast pass at another attraction. I have no idea if the story was true, but when the same thing happened to us earlier in the day on Toy Story Mania, we were given a re-entry pass to TSM. Anyway, the CM would not let the family in. The guy complained more. A supervisor for TSM came over and still denied them entry. As we were working our way through the Fast Pass line. A new CM comes by, asking everyone to step aside so the family could be moved up in line. At first I was highly annoyed by this. Just because he complained loudly he got to jump line. Things ended up turning out nicely though. At the point where the fast pass line meets up with the normal line, the family was directed to the side that the normal line was using. A big group of us were then directed toward the fast pass side. Needless to say, we were on the ride much sooner than the annoying family. He was still complaining very loudly.

So, CMs are paying attention. They do have to deal with the "squeaky wheels", but they still are looking at the guests that are following the rules and are being polite.

joanna71985
09-26-2008, 09:23 PM
I would hope that most people wouldn't mind Make a Wish or people with genuine medical issues...

Unfortunately that's not always the case. I have had several people get snarky with MAW/GKTW families at character lines. Really sad.:(

CaptainJessicaSparrow
09-27-2008, 12:44 AM
I have too. They'll make those "Ugh" faces. I just wanna......be not Disney for a moment.

Maybe because I am slightly biased.....

KT1234
09-27-2008, 09:34 AM
I would hope that most people wouldn't mind Make a Wish or people with genuine medical issues...I think the big issue is what the original poster said, when one or two people hold the line and right before entry, 5 to 6 people join them...obviously, these aren't going to be people with medical issues...we had problems on our visit in 2005 with large parties carrying walkie-talkie's when one person in line at a ride or restaurant got ready to board they would call their party on their walkie talkie and they would come running and all jump in line....and a couple of times when people spoke up they acted like they were going to gang up on them so everyone just kind of let them do it...not picking on anyone but it seemed to be a lot of hispanic people doing this...it did get to be frustrating and like said before, the CM seemed afraid to say anything too...they would just look at everyone like they felt bad about it, but never stopped them....I think its awful Disney doesn't allow CM to do anything and this trip, if it happens, I will complain everytime...maybe if everyone does that management will pay attention.:mad:


I totally agree with this whole post. First off, I think the majority of people (especially people that post here) would agree that if it is clear that a person has a medical issue, such as illness or a child that is sick or even having some type of melt down, them joining their party later isn't an issue. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience, Joana71985. There really are some self involved, rotten people out there and it breaks my heart that ANYONE would put a damper on the day of a child ill. I think that it would be a good idea for people that are sick, but don't appear VISABLY sick, there should be something like a wristband to identify them. I know some people might not want to feel stereotyped or might be embarrassed by this but it would definately clear up confusion and would eliminate a lot of those dirty looks and animosity they would feel. I think that a lot of people that have medical issues feel that others are not being respectful toward them and this might clear that up because these people might be ignorant to the fact that the individual is ill.

I also think that most people feel for a parent with a child that is having a melt down in the park. Most people have been there and that's embarrassing for them. Although I don't think that every whiny kid should be allowed to go do whatever he or she wants and then be allowed to join mom or dad in line at another attraction, ifa child is really melting down due to exhaustion or heat or hunger, I would gladly have them leave the line, tend to the issue and then return when the child is happy again. It makes for a better line exerience for me! For me, I deal with these issues experience by experience.

I agree with you that MY problem with line cutters is that they aren't the people I listed above. They are either teenager or...and I hate to stereotype...people that are rowdy and pretend like they don't speak english. These people seem to show blatent disregard for others in line and if they aren't cutting, they're doing something annoying and inappropriate such as swinging on ropes, standing a millimeter away from the back of you or just being loud and rowdy.

It really does make me sad that CMs can't do anything but at least now I understand. Thanks for explaining Jessica! I agree that maybe if more people spoke up, the issue could be resolved because I feel that there are more good apples out there than bad. It's a shame that people that break the rules are allowed to continue this bad behavior and that those that do have to deal with the discipline or "speaking up" issue that comes with being in line with them.

joanna71985
09-27-2008, 11:25 AM
I'm sorry that you had a bad experience, Joana71985. There really are some self involved, rotten people out there and it breaks my heart that ANYONE would put a damper on the day of a child ill.


It breaks my heart everytime it happens. But I feel even worse for the family. And the last time it happened, the father of the child actually had to say something back to the jerk who said something. How heartless can someone be, that they would say something so cruel? Can't people just be thankful that they don't have to experience something like that, that they are all healthy and are able to stand in line? Who knows if that child will be able to make it back? God willing, I hope they would be able to. But you just don't know.

lawgirl
09-27-2008, 05:19 PM
I agree with Marker's comments. Stupid people are everywhere!!!! I have learned over years of going to WDW that its best most of the time just to let it go (I'm an attorney, so you know its hard for me to let things go)...it usually ends up ruining my day if I get aggressive and go after the "line jumpers". My parents raised me right, and I would never intentionally jump in line. However, our society does not value respect anymore...getting ahead of everyone is valued now.

I tend to just let it go. It really doesn't slow me down much; the idiots who are doing it are just that- idiots, and they are very unlikely to change just because I call them out.

There is a point to where I do call people out...one example is a family with a child who is kicking people, or swinging obects around so as to be in people's way, or actually hitting people (and yes this has happened to me several times). I will usually say something to the parent, and perhaps even a CM. Also, if someone is harassing me or anyone else, I will report that.

Auroring Good Time
09-27-2008, 11:12 PM
I didn't realize this situation bothered people so much. I have been to Disneyworld many many times and I can only recall one instance where I felt like someone was "cutting" and that was a group of about 6 teenagers who claimed they were with a group up ahead. As other people describe it, I guess I get "cut" in front of all the time, if you consider a mom with a child catching up to the dad with the other children "cutting". I personally don't. This is a family park and by that it means that there may be small children or elderly people or just family members in general who need to sit for a moment or step out of line for a moment. As a previous poster said, we don't know exactly why someone is "cutting" and we shouldn't pass judgement without knowing the facts.

big blue and hairy
09-28-2008, 12:23 PM
I have too. They'll make those "Ugh" faces. I just wanna......be not Disney for a moment.

Maybe because I am slightly biased.....
I assume you mean you have a connection somehow with those organizations. I don't and I agree completely with you. If someone is impatient over those kids, they need to be slapped silly.

:sulley:

glenpreece
09-28-2008, 12:59 PM
At Canada's wonderland here in Toronto they have implemented a no line jumping policy, if you leave the line for any reson too bad. But alas it is no enforced either. On both trips this summer we saw teens cutting in and parents carrying their kids over their heads trying to catch up to so and so. I figure who cares let it pass/ I'm not going to cause a scene over something like this. Now if you step on me or shove me LOOK OUT!

eandrsmom
09-28-2008, 05:32 PM
We were there last Feb., and there were tons of Brazilian teenagers on vacation. We found that they frequently wanted to catch up with their friends. After several days of this, we just refused to move out of their way.

KT1234
09-28-2008, 05:43 PM
We were there last Feb., and there were tons of Brazilian teenagers on vacation. We found that they frequently wanted to catch up with their friends. After several days of this, we just refused to move out of their way.

Unfortunately, those groups were the ones that were the biggest trouble makers for me too. They got really pushy but most tended to back down when you refused to move or acted upset.

I find that those groups tend to go to Disney in Orlando rather than Disneyland in CA. MY family and I always go to WDW but were in the anaheim area a month or two ago and decided to try Disneyland. I was SHOCKED at the difference of visitors there. I'm sure they MUST have their handfuls of difficult people and groups but we never once encountered groups like the huge Brazilian groups at WDW or loud/obnoxious behavior. I'm assuming it's because WDW is larger so they would go there over a smaller set of parks/resorts.

teambricker04
09-28-2008, 06:26 PM
We were there last Feb., and there were tons of Brazilian teenagers on vacation. We found that they frequently wanted to catch up with their friends. After several days of this, we just refused to move out of their way.

Funny... when we where down in June or July there were a lot of Brazilian teenagers as well. I thought they were all for the most part polite and didn't see much line cutting.

Line cutting generally doesn't bother me, but I would be more apt to stand back and wait for my party members vs. making them jump through the line.

It really gets my goat when people are pushing us to get us to go faster. Especially in lines like POC where the walk is usually long for 3 yo legs. We generally tell those people to go around us and then there they are right infront of us when we get to the part that it stands still.

I am more apt to say something to rude people in line than my DH. Whether it is line cutting, inappropriate language, pushing, walking all over my kids, smoking in line and blowing it in myor my kids faces, I will ask to cool it or back off wit the behavior or language. People are generally shocked to hear someone saying something about it. I never try to be rude to them, but sometimes it is hard :blush:

MelXThree
09-28-2008, 07:40 PM
I have been reading these posts for a few days now and I have to say that I am kind of shocked at some of the answers. I think that it is kind of sad that we have no understanding for people with special curcumstances. Honestly some people have medical issues or illnesses that we can not see. It doesn't mean they have to be stuck in a wheel chair all day.

Walt build disney parks for families, that includes, kids, grandparents and people who are ill. If somebody has to take their child out of line for a second to change a diaper (or what ever) and come back or a gandmother can't wait in a long line up....I don't think that is cutting.

What the OP said was cutting and that is not right. This is the Happiest Place on Earth, if a grandmother waits on a bench and then comes in line with the rest of her group..who cares...she's at Disney World and you shouldn't care either. Just enjoy your vacation and remeber that one day you may be in the same situation with a sick realive and you would want them to be comfortable too! :soapbox:

irish1967
09-28-2008, 07:43 PM
We tend to use "line cutting" as a teaching moment for our children.

We simply point out:

1) Hopefully there is a good reason why someone is cutting in line and if that is the case, we should be glad that the person is physically/mentally capable of enjoying the ride.

2) If that is not the case, we point out that the person/people cutting in line haven't had the opportunity to learn how to behave so that it is fair for everyone. In this case, rather than make a stink, it is better to feel sorry for them because obviously, they don't know how to behave properly and it is probably impacting them negatively in other areas of their lives.

What goes around, comes around and I truly believe that just letting something like this go allows us to enjoy our vacation more.

P.S. I do feel strongly about smoking in line and offensive language and will say something about that.

minnie1956
09-28-2008, 08:58 PM
Line cutters: Those who trample through the line to get ahead "just because" they want to be there 1st with their group. Doesn't matter to me if they speak Spanish, English, German, Brazilian or Martian! Many cultures feel that if they just "wait in line" they will not get their chance. Get over it ! Here, in America, we feel that EVERYONE deserves their turn, and we really hope that you have as much fun as we do getting there!!
NOT cutters: Children with special needs that have been given "head of the line" status
( If THAT upsets you: Go HOME you need more time to prepare for YOUR magical experience) MAW children (Thank GOD, or WHOEVER you pray to that it's not YOUR child, let them pass! and Bless them and say prayers for them while you do!) Seniors that need to rest: let them pass too! Good grief, they've paid their dues!
Most who are in wheel chairs get a special entrance with family to accompany them ( However, that doesn't mean 30 of them!!) You folks can get in line with the rest of us, you'll still get a "quality" Disney experience with us very nice family oriented people waiting our turn. :D
Mom ( or Dad) who got out of line because Johnnie or Susie couldn't hold it, we've all been there, give them a break! How many of us have done the "toilet tour" with our kids!! If the kids are that young, it's tough enough on them anyway. Those who haven't gone through the parenting experience: You will find it much easier to endure the hard times when you see you get support and understanding from those of us who have been there, or if we haven't gone through it with you, the grace of understanding it's not easy.
I think that's all I wanted to say. Sorry if I offend anyone, "step on any toes" but more importantly, I hope I gave everyone food for thought. It's a Small World after all, we have to share it!! :soapbox:

Sharon1026
09-28-2008, 10:05 PM
Line cutters: Those who trample through the line to get ahead "just because" they want to be there 1st with their group. Doesn't matter to me if they speak Spanish, English, German, Brazilian or Martian! Many cultures feel that if they just "wait in line" they will not get their chance. Get over it ! Here, in America, we feel that EVERYONE deserves their turn, and we really hope that you have as much fun as we do getting there!!
NOT cutters: Children with special needs that have been given "head of the line" status
( If THAT upsets you: Go HOME you need more time to prepare for YOUR magical experience) MAW children (Thank GOD, or WHOEVER you pray to that it's not YOUR child, let them pass! and Bless them and say prayers for them while you do!) Seniors that need to rest: let them pass too! Good grief, they've paid their dues!
Most who are in wheel chairs get a special entrance with family to accompany them ( However, that doesn't mean 30 of them!!) You folks can get in line with the rest of us, you'll still get a "quality" Disney experience with us very nice family oriented people waiting our turn. :D
Mom ( or Dad) who got out of line because Johnnie or Susie couldn't hold it, we've all been there, give them a break! How many of us have done the "toilet tour" with our kids!! If the kids are that young, it's tough enough on them anyway. Those who haven't gone through the parenting experience: You will find it much easier to endure the hard times when you see you get support and understanding from those of us who have been there, or if we haven't gone through it with you, the grace of understanding it's not easy.
I think that's all I wanted to say. Sorry if I offend anyone, "step on any toes" but more importantly, I hope I gave everyone food for thought. It's a Small World after all, we have to share it!! :soapbox:
agreed. There is a big difference between taking your kid to the restroom and being a big jerk and passing everyone in line. Some people are just jerks and should be called out for it.

Little Round Bale
09-29-2008, 09:31 AM
We were in WDW in early August and thanks to fast pass we experienced this behavior in three of the four parks.

Part of the group gets in line. The other part goes over to fast pass and gets fast past tickets. Then they push pass the rest of us in line to catch back up with their group. I asked a lady as she was passing.

Posted earlier getting set back 2 or 3 rides is no big deal. In theory I agree but line jumping is line jumping. It is wrong. I do think there are exceptions but getting a fast pass is not one in my books. :nono:

KT1234
09-29-2008, 05:22 PM
I was thinking about this post earlier and another thing came to me. I probably wouldn't be so irritated at someone that's joining their party in line if they truly seemed apologetic. There are times where things happen...a bathroom emergency, the need for water, SOMETHING and I understand that. You can tell by the looks on the person's face if they seem embarrassed or sorry for having to be in that situation. When I see that, I don't let it bother me because I can tell that this person isn't trying to take advantage of the system. It's when the person is coming back, being rude and pushing their way up to where they want to be without giving you a second glance. That's what really makes me upset. What's worse is when they come back defensive, like they're just waiting for a fight. It just rubs me the wrong way. If you act courteous to me, I'll be courteous to you in return.

BigRedDad
09-29-2008, 06:38 PM
I see this thread evolved as they typically do. Here is how I would categorize "line cutting".

Line-cutting:
1. More people moving forward in line to meet a smaller party. The smaller party should wait until the larger group catches up.
2. Mom/dad getting in line while the other takes the kids to the restroom or to get beverages. If they are not with you, do not get in line. Wait for them to return.
3. One person with the FOL pass and 30 people going with the,
4. Group gets in line while one goes and gets the entire groups FPs.
5. Foreigners that have no respect for Americans here or in their country being as rude and disrespectful as they possibly can.

Not Line-cutting:
1. One or two people catching up to their party when they had to get out of line for potty.
2. MAW or any other charity that lets a terminal child or adult have one Magical Memory to grab a hold of. Anyone that is against this best be thankful it is not them.
3. Person with medical condition waiting in the shade or at the side of the entrance waiting for their party to get to the front of the line.

I am sure there are more for both categories. The good news is that I am a pretty good size guy (6'0", 225lbs, broad shoulders). I can occupy the good part of a queue line. I am more than willing to discuss a person moving in front of me. I am also very good at embarrassing someone in line with a poor excuse. I will ask them a question in a louder than normal voice asking why they should get on before my DD2 because we were waiting already. Since I am waiting anyway, might as well have a little fun. With any luck they learn a life lesson or at least learn to be a better liar.

Imagineer1981
09-30-2008, 11:20 AM
Have been a reader on this site for years and years without ever registering, but I just had to weigh in on this one.

I'm certain that more often than not, when people jump in line it is nothing more than rudeness. There can be another possibility, though.

In my family there are three people (out of our group of five) who have serious medical issues requiring them to stay out of the sun. When we are stuck in an outdoor line, they have to go sit somewhere in the shade until I reach a point in line which is out of the sun, then come join up with me. To look at them, they all appear completely healthy, so I'm sure people have been annoyed at their "line jumping."

Again, I know this is not the case for many people who cut in line. But when someone jumps ahead of me, I do try to remind myself that there's at least a possibility it's for a medical reason. It may not be the case, but it does help me keep my cool and enjoy my vacation much more!

You can actually get a pass that allows you to wait only in the indoor section. A CM will allow you to cut in line at the door due to the medical condition.

Overall though, cutting is terrible. I don't mind if little TImmy had to go potty and dad had to take him and he is just catching up to his wife and other kids, but when its 4 adults or worse, forget it, just wait in line and meet up at the end.

Stitchahula
09-30-2008, 01:38 PM
Last year I did a lot of line jumping I admit it. Ok before everyone is ready to kill me let me explain which some people will have issues with anyways I'm sure. My sister would take my 5 y/o DS and would go and get on rides while I was in the baby care station with my 7 week old DS. ( trip was already paid for when I found out I was pregnant). When I would get done with the baby I would call her and meet up with her so I could ride some rides with my 5 Y/O. If they were already getting on I would wait until they got off and ride it again but if they had only been in the line a little while I would go up and join them. Also on some of the rides if the wait was outside the CM would let me sneek in a side entrance and wait until the rest of my party went threw the line and I would join up with them then. Some people consider that line jumping but it was letting my party go threw all of the line while I kept the baby out of the sun and the CM's knew we were doing this.

Hazmat
07-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Just a thought, but what if the people in line just said to the would be line jumpers I am sorry, but I will not allow you to pass me as I have waited in line to be at this point and you have not. Perhaps in the future you should wait to get in line for an attraction when your whole party is ready.

I did this with my family last time we were at animal kingdom queuing in a 90 min queue for kilimanjaro safaris. The Guy who was trying to get past shoved me out of the way so he could get past, (and I mean shoved) and asked me why I wasn't letting him past. His party followed him, family of 5 if I remember correctly... Shame really, even in the happiest place on earth people have to resort to physically pushing people to get there way.

On the other hand, at seaworld two lads tried to get past to get on manta, and this ex Us forces veteran, in his late 60's I would say, was waiting with his two granddaughters till they got on the ride. He stopped the two lads and told them to turn around and face the walk of shame past everyone else to the back of the line. they did walk aswell as he wasn't letting them by! :)

biodtl
07-05-2011, 09:22 PM
The way I see it, the majority of the party should be in line. If a child needs the bathroom or a health issue prevents a person from waiting, i have no problem letting them through. Even one party member getting FPs doesn't really bother me. But that is 1 person (and a companion for the 1st 2 examples). When there are more people "catching up" than actually waiting in line, I think that is line cutting and should be dealt with. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, dealing with it ends up rewarding the line jumpers.

ransam
07-06-2011, 02:55 PM
There's no chance at all i would ever say anything to someone cutting in line or even think about it.
I'm in WDW. what do i care? I"m not every going to let someone ruin my vacation. In fact i have often let people go ahead of me cause i was looking at something in the Que.
i have deadlines at work, i have stress paying bills, i have lots of troubles, but when i'm at Disney it's all good. In fact my friend and sister and i have a saying when we're at WDW "it's disney, there are no worries".

Ian
07-06-2011, 03:01 PM
There's no chance at all i would ever say anything to someone cutting in line or even think about it.
I'm in WDW. what do i care? I"m not every going to let someone ruin my vacation. In fact i have often let people go ahead of me cause i was looking at something in the Que.
i have deadlines at work, i have stress paying bills, i have lots of troubles, but when i'm at Disney it's all good. In fact my friend and sister and i have a saying when we're at WDW "it's disney, there are no worries".You summed up my feelings on this nicely. What the heck do I care if one or two people who likely would already have been in line ahead of me go in past me in line?? :confused:

I honestly cannot fathom why people get so worked up about this and assume the worst ... that these people are somehow "out to get you" or to take advantage. Seriously, seems like much ado about nothing to me. It probably won't even affect your actual wait time, since they'll most likely be riding as a part of a larger party that takes up the same number of ride vehicles anyway!

dizneydeb22
07-07-2011, 11:22 AM
There's no chance at all i would ever say anything to someone cutting in line or even think about it.
I'm in WDW. what do i care? I"m not every going to let someone ruin my vacation. In fact i have often let people go ahead of me cause i was looking at something in the Que.
i have deadlines at work, i have stress paying bills, i have lots of troubles, but when i'm at Disney it's all good. In fact my friend and sister and i have a saying when we're at WDW "it's disney, there are no worries".

I also agree with this! The only time I might say something is if they were rude about it. I am little biased toward this subject as my son also has an "invisible" disability. He has severe ADHD and mild autism. Most times, with medication, he is completely fine, but sometimes there are melt downs. We do get the GAC, but only use it if he is having a bad day and we follow the rules of the GAC. There are usually 8-10 people in our party. How we handle this is for the fastpass rides, most of us get the fastpasses and when it is time to use the FP we show our GAC and go with our entire party. I think it is ridiculous to punish a mom or dad who had to get out of line to take a child to the bathroom. They were there anyway! The way I look at it, getting mad doesn't ruin the guilty parties day, it ruins yours, so why bother. Quietly pitty them and go on enjoying your day! And one last thing, I do not think the nationality/culture of a person has anything to do with rudeness. Rude is rude and it is rampant through all cultures!

sommer
07-07-2011, 12:10 PM
I'm not sure what I think of this. When we were there we were waiting for DD to get her face painted. After waiting for about 10 minutes we were at the front of the line when all of sudden 2 women and a little boy go right in front of us. I said, "excuse me, but we are next". and the woman said they were in line but were looking at the designs over on the side. OK... well we looked at them too BEFORE we were in line, and was it really necessary for grandma to look at them too? This still ticks me off, and ticked me off even more when the woman who gave me a dirtly look and was all snooty about cutting got her face painted too. If we wouldn't have been in a rush I wouldn't have minded as much, but it was just rude! I would've been fine if grandma would've been in line, but there was no one there for at least 10 minutes!

Victor Kelly
07-07-2011, 12:14 PM
No line cutting, especially for teens and adults.

I am big, and with a rotten temper when this happens, it is simple. I do not move. Try to force your way past me it won't happen. I will claim assault if anyone touches me wrong, then self defense right after.

No for a person leaving the line then coming back with a little one, I have absolutely no issues letting them back in. But people that try to go into a line with their children to catch up is not acceptable.

Wait in line, wait your turn. If you don't want a problem, wait until the party is together then enter the line.

ADR reservation guidelines state that the entire party must be present to be seated. And what I observed this is enforced. It is not that hard to enforce this in attraction lines.

I have witnessed ejections from Hersheypark, Universal and IOA and Seaworld before. They dont get to come back in. I watched as a season passholder's cards were cut up at Hersheypark for line jumping. Others enforce the rules, and Disney should be no different.

Aurora
07-07-2011, 01:01 PM
...Seriously, seems like much ado about nothing to me. It probably won't even affect your actual wait time, since they'll most likely be riding as a part of a larger party that takes up the same number of ride vehicles anyway!

:ditto:

What I find funny is when it's one of those wide, formless lines where people are more spread out. What usually happens with our group is that we get split up when other people race to get in front of some of us slower members, then when we get to a stopping point, they have to let us get past them again to reconnect our group. Oops! Should have slowed down, I guess! :D

Mickey'sIrishPAl
07-07-2011, 02:11 PM
[QUOTE=Victor Kelly;2186435]I am big, and with a rotten temper when this happens, it is simple. I do not move. Try to force your way past me it won't happen. I will claim assault if anyone touches me wrong, then self defense right after.[QUOTE]

Woah.....pump the brakes there Vic.

dizneydeb22
07-07-2011, 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=Victor Kelly;2186435]I am big, and with a rotten temper when this happens, it is simple. I do not move. Try to force your way past me it won't happen. I will claim assault if anyone touches me wrong, then self defense right after.[QUOTE]

Woah.....pump the brakes there Vic.

:ditto:

squad51
07-07-2011, 10:16 PM
I had to line jump once or twice last month. At times stroller parking was along the cue path (at AK). I parked the stroller and had to pass up on or two parties. They were always understanding. We went in a group of 8 and to have 7 stop to wait for 1 would gridlock the entire line and one could imagine the attitudes of persons behind us if we allowed that to happen.

mariak
07-08-2011, 01:02 AM
If that is the case and somebody needs to use the restroom or get a tasty beverage, then YOU ALL WAIT. Don't get into a line and expect your party to catch up. You should always be only as fast as your slowest person. If your slowest person means you have to wait to get into line, then DO SO.

Don't think you have the right to get in front of me when I have standing idle in a slow moving line because you decided to do something else and your party didn't want to wait for you.

I used to think the same thing and we NEVER did that….until a couple months ago when we were at California Adventure Park waiting in the Toy Story Mania line. There is no fast pass for that attraction in California so we had a bit of a wait. After a while, my DD (7yrs) had to go to the bathroom. Sometimes, you gotta do what you gotta do! We had already put in some time in line and I really didn’t want to have to “start over”. We hopped the rails, went to the bathroom and came back to stand in line with DH and DD again. Luckily, we didn’t have to walk past a bunch of people saying “Sorry, excuse me” a million times…I would have felt horrible. The way that queue is set up, there are places to squeeze back without having to walk through it all. But, in cases like this, I understand anyway…as I think most people with children do. So I’ve never been bothered by it when it’s obvious that a parent has to take a child out (and back in). But I do think that people abuse it for sure!

mickey_M_lvr
07-08-2011, 11:44 AM
As long as there is a child involved I am fine with it because I know that in most cases children have bladders the size of walnuts and they always wait until you are doing something to announce they have to go.

The problem is that I have never experienced this particular situation at WDW. It has never been a mother or father with a child. It has always been a group of teens or a group of adults.

What I really think would be funny as heck would be to institute a line jumper policy. Disney should install a group of old time stockades over in frontier land. If you are guilty of line jumping a cast member dressed in a cowboy outfit escorts you to frontierland. Your hands and neck are locked into the stockade and for the next 30 minutes passing children can throw water ballons with little mickey mouse shapes on them at the offenders.

FutureCorpsFan
07-08-2011, 12:30 PM
This is not the hard stuff... It's pretty simple. If you want to ride together, don't get in line untill you are, um, TOGETHER. It's not rocket science. Why do we have to "cut" up. Who really thinks that's fair. If you want to ride with people currently in line, then they should move back, not have the others move forward. The problem is people think too much about themselves and not how their actions affect others. Then there people that just don't think at all.

I don't have a problem with the mom and kid(s) who get in line while dad parks the stroller... However, I do have a problem with the people that beleive they belong in front you.

redleg96
07-08-2011, 01:51 PM
While I generally think line cutting is 'wrong'. I have a little patience for 'honest' families where somebody got seperated for whatever reason.

Where I begin to become upset is; when large number from - let's call it how it really is - Brazilian Tour Groups, cut to be with the rest of the group.

It's much easier for me to tolerate a family of 4-6 trying to be together than a tour group of 30-50 trying to be together.

Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth; if you didn't want it, you shouldn't have posted the issue on a discussion board.

Suzi Q
07-08-2011, 02:16 PM
I've noticed that for myself, at the beginning of a trip I have a lot more patience and/or understanding for line jumping, people that take longer to load on buses, kids having meltdowns etc.....but on the last day or two my patience kind of has run out....then I know it's time to go home!

Terra
07-08-2011, 07:53 PM
I realize this is an old post resurrected, but thought I might as well chime in too :)

I generally don't let it bother me as previous poster's have said because I'm typically just trying enjoy myself and those I came with. And I figure karma baby! ;)

And I do agree that we can't always know what's going on. I know I've gotten snickers/rude comments and glaring eyes and I've used our disability pass on attractions for my 4.5 year old. At first glance he's the "typical boy", but what people don't see are his fairly severe SPD [sensory processing disorder] "outlets", bordering on some ASD ones as well [the doctors are beginning to think].

Standing in a line much more than 10-15 minutes would cause major meltdowns, licking of other people [I kid you not!], "strange noises", sensory seeking calming techniques that might freak a few people out.

So when we "by-pass" a 90 minute line I assure you we're not trying to be rude, but rather to spare you lots of wailing, crying and embarrassing behavior. ;)

Truly, as a PP said we can never be sure what's going on!

Disney OB RN
07-10-2011, 05:36 PM
My worst frustration with this issue was during my last visit, in which I was in the World sans family, due to a convention trip. It was the week preceeding Easter, & AK was very crowded and hot. My friend & I were in the single rider line for Expedition Everist, and saw a grown man yelling "hey" to two teens exiting the ride. The next thing I know, those two teens are slinking around the ropes to join this man in the single rider line ahead of us & several others. We all were upset & could not believe it. It took deep breaths not to lose the Disney magic!!!! You couldn't blame the kids when the "mature" example instigated this. Sir, if you read this, SHAME ON YOU! Wow, I feel better! :mickey:

Terra
07-10-2011, 06:03 PM
My worst frustration with this issue was during my last visit, in which I was in the World sans family, due to a convention trip. It was the week preceeding Easter, & AK was very crowded and hot. My friend & I were in the single rider line for Expedition Everist, and saw a grown man yelling "hey" to two teens exiting the ride. The next thing I know, those two teens are slinking around the ropes to join this man in the single rider line ahead of us & several others. We all were upset & could not believe it. It took deep breaths not to lose the Disney magic!!!! You couldn't blame the kids when the "mature" example instigated this. Sir, if you read this, SHAME ON YOU! Wow, I feel better! :mickey:

Yeah, in single rider lines, that is absolutely uncalled for! Karma baby! ;)

marlyn
07-10-2011, 06:08 PM
If my party gets separated due to crowds and I find myself ahead by a number of people, I always stop, let those behind me pass until my party catches up to where I am. This is the polite thing to do IMO rather than have your party pass others to catch up to you....just let others by.

I don't take issue when parents with small children pass by to catch up to the other parent or when someone who can't wait in line comes to join their party. I think we all know when it is just a case of a bunvh of healthy adults or older kids who are just plain cutiing in line...that is rude IMO

EeyoresBestFriend
07-10-2011, 08:17 PM
I'm cool with one or two especially if one is a small munchkin ~

Unfortunately, I am embarassed to say, I am not cool with any of the BTG "Line Crawlers" and tend to do the shoulder to shoulder 'you-shall-not-pass' with them. When they went to push through, we just said no. I usually notice that shortly after that, folks around us will form a strangely solid block that the "Cutters" can't push by. :thumbsup: Strangely enough, they wait . . . . :D

Do I let it ruin my day? Nope

I agree if you want a large group to catch up with you, then wait. Or let people go by you in line til they catch up.

Renfairwedding
07-10-2011, 09:29 PM
Two Stories
My first line story involved the handicapped line at the Haunted Mansion at MNSHP. I have an electric wheel chair and the HM brings in the impaired through the exit. As my DW and I were waiting on the front end of the 25 wheeled patrons in line behind us, a couple ridding double on a non-Disney scoter zipped right by pushing people out of there way shouting and using the horn. They were angry and yelled at the CM that they had a scooter that meant they should go first. To the CM ‘s credit pointed out the line. They left red faced.

My second involved a line cutter couple. Again in my chair I was on a ramp and my chair sometimes needs a little room to stop. Knowing this I leave a foot or two in front of me so not to wreak to many ankles. They stepped around me in the line taking that stopping space when he line moved. I could not stop and wham… I hit the guys ankles and his partner ended up in my lap. Boy they were mad. But I told pointed out they did cut in front of me would you walk in front of a moving car?

IloveDisney71
07-12-2011, 04:54 PM
Thanks to Fast Pass, and avoiding the Speedway, I don't experience it as much as I once did...however, was once in line for Speedway with one of my DGD's....heard some commotion behind me, and saw a couple of teenagers joining some of their friends.....paused where I was, and waved to the people immediately behind them to join me....had about 12 people "join me" by passing the line junpers and their friends....hope I made a point!

:D LOL!!! That is perfect! That would get to them before saying something to them would! :D

Daisy'sMom
07-13-2011, 09:28 AM
No matter what you think of line jumping, I think we all can agree that rudeness is not an acceptable behavior. Line jumping is not acceptable and I do not believe those who believe they have been appointed to police the line are also behaving badly when they yell and point at the line jumper. Why don't we just relax and remember that you are at Disney. You are so suppose to have fun.:mickey:

BigRedDad
07-13-2011, 10:26 AM
I encountered this last time I was there. It was just my daughter and I in the line. A group wanted to go in front of a bunch of us to get with 1 person up ahead. With my DD4 there at the time, I told them that it is much easier for me to let the one person come back to them than let 7 go ahead. They looked and spoke rudely. I then picked my daughter up to eye level. Loudly, I spoke to her that rules are in place for a reason and that I was teaching her a lesson in rules. I turned back the 7 huffing and puffing people behind me and told them: If my 4 year old daughter can understand and respect the rules, I am sure you can as well.

Well, this got a lot of cheers and respect. The 7 people were completely embarrassed to the point where they decided they were not going to take all the snickering and pointing any more. They went on their merry way to another attraction. Public humiliation can go a long way.

lawgirl
07-19-2011, 05:01 PM
We've seen this happen a few times, and yes, its maddening as heck! But I always try to remember that the type of person who jumps in a group of 6 to the front of the line to meet up with someone, is probably the same type of person who cheated on tests in school, lie about everything, dodges child support payments, etc...etc.... they lack moral fortitude and character, and/or they are just plain stupid!

All in all, I feel sorry for that type of person who goes through life like that. And I say a prayer of thanfulness that my parents raised me right!

You should triumph in your moral fortitude and have pity on those poor fools who think they are "getting ahead" by jumping line...

PeterPan
07-19-2011, 10:47 PM
We have had endless discussions here about this subject. The facts are...

1. There are ALWAYS going to be people who jump lines. It does not matter what kind of rules Disney makes, or how they try to enforce them.

2. (Others have said this) Don't let a RUDE line jumper ruin your vacation. We have NO CONTROL over what others do. We have TOTAL CONTROL of how we react to it.

3. Honestly, even if 12 people cut in front of you...how long of a delay is that? One minute? Yes, I KNOW that's not the point ... it's the rudeness. But ... be the BIGGER PERSON! Let it go! Keep your smile! TRY TO TRIP THEM AS THEY PASS and KEEP SMILING!

Terra
07-20-2011, 10:45 AM
We have had endless discussions here about this subject. The facts are...

1. There are ALWAYS going to be people who jump lines. It does not matter what kind of rules Disney makes, or how they try to enforce them.

2. (Others have said this) Don't let a RUDE line jumper ruin your vacation. We have NO CONTROL over what others do. We have TOTAL CONTROL of how we react to it.

3. Honestly, even if 12 people cut in front of you...how long of a delay is that? One minute? Yes, I KNOW that's not the point ... it's the rudeness. But ... be the BIGGER PERSON! Let it go! Keep your smile! TRY TO TRIP THEM AS THEY PASS and KEEP SMILING!

:thumbsup:Great post and I agree.

I always like to say, we don't always know the whole story either [as in the case with my SPD/developmentally delayed son].

Disney Doll
07-20-2011, 12:06 PM
Wow...I see a whole lot of people who need a lesson in not sweating the small stuff. Lighten up and enjoy your vacation! You can't control other people, you can only control yourself. Chose to not get stressed and riled so that you can enjoy the magic.

UCJen
07-20-2011, 12:26 PM
Wow...I see a whole lot of people who need a lesson in not sweating the small stuff. Lighten up and enjoy your vacation! You can't control other people, you can only control yourself. Chose to not get stressed and riled so that you can enjoy the magic.

I agree, to a point. However, it gets tiresome when this is not only a daily occurrence, but something you witness 2-3 times a day throughout the duration of your vacation.

Why should I allow someone to act as if their vacation time is more valuable than mine, especially when when my family is following all of the rules?

And I am talking about the blatant queue jumpers, not parents with little ones who need the toilet or parents of children with special needs.

Terra
07-20-2011, 04:58 PM
I agree, to a point. However, it gets tiresome when this is not only a daily occurrence, but something you witness 2-3 times a day throughout the duration of your vacation.

Why should I allow someone to act as if their vacation time is more valuable than mine, especially when when my family is following all of the rules?

And I am talking about the blatant queue jumpers, not parents with little ones who need the toilet or parents of children with special needs.

It seems like you [general you] are bound to see it more at a WDW just for the sheer fact of the multi-thousands and thousands of people there. So in the grand scheme of things 2-3 times a day with 30,000+ people around really isn't that much, at least for me. I just don't pay too much attention. :mickey:

jaredkari
07-21-2011, 08:58 AM
Sorry I got confused and put the wrong title on the post.

I am with you though, line cutting is getting out of control. I understand that some will say that they had to go to the bathroom or their 4 year old had to go to the bathroom. Well guess what, you get out of the line and start over. Sorry I am a little cold hearted when it comes to line cutters.

Terra
07-21-2011, 09:02 AM
Sorry I got confused and put the wrong title on the post.

I am with you though, line cutting is getting out of control. I understand that some will say that they had to go to the bathroom or their 4 year old had to go to the bathroom. Well guess what, you get out of the line and start over. Sorry I am a little cold hearted when it comes to line cutters.

Just curious. Do you have children or children with special needs? If you do, do you always just "start over" if they have to go to the bathroom?

jaredkari
07-21-2011, 09:17 AM
Yep we have been with our young nieces several times and if we are in line and they needed to go we jumped out of line and just started over. It stunk but we explained to them before we got in line that if they needed to go we would have to start over so if they needed to go they better do it now. I know my point of view is going to be unpopular. Just like in life you don't take short cuts.:mickey:

smsp
07-21-2011, 09:42 AM
Wow, since most of you are saying dont sweat it, just ignore it, its only a small percentage, then maybe I need to start line jumping.

SMSP

big blue and hairy
07-21-2011, 01:38 PM
I am big, and with a rotten temper when this happens, it is simple. I do not move. Try to force your way past me it won't happen. I will claim assault if anyone touches me wrong, then self defense right after.



I have to say, with the family friendly and non-confrontational bent of this website (which I like btw), I am suprised that no moderator has has said anything about promoting violence at WDW as a legitimate way of handling a minor problem. Really? Would you rather have someone pass you in line or a fight break out in front of you?

:sulley:

dizneydeb22
07-21-2011, 02:32 PM
I have to say, with the family friendly and non-confrontational bent of this website (which I like btw), I am suprised that no moderator has has said anything about promoting violence at WDW as a legitimate way of handling a minor problem. Really? Would you rather have someone pass you in line or a fight break out in front of you?

:sulley:

My thoughts exactly.

UCJen
07-21-2011, 05:15 PM
It seems like you [general you] are bound to see it more at a WDW just for the sheer fact of the multi-thousands and thousands of people there. So in the grand scheme of things 2-3 times a day with 30,000+ people around really isn't that much, at least for me. I just don't pay too much attention. :mickey:

I see you live in Florida and have said you are an AP holder. I think there is a difference in experiences between someone popping in on a whim for a visit, versus someone who spends one week a year at WDW.

I would probably be blase about line cutter as well if I could go to WDW whenever I wanted (lucky you :) ).

UCJen
07-21-2011, 05:48 PM
I have to say, with the family friendly and non-confrontational bent of this website (which I like btw), I am suprised that no moderator has has said anything about promoting violence at WDW as a legitimate way of handling a minor problem. Really? Would you rather have someone pass you in line or a fight break out in front of you?

:sulley:

Speaking fights breaking out. About four years ago, we were waiting in line for TT. We were waiting in the line after the pre-show, when this family of 8, shoves right through. I was agog and stunned at the outright cheek of it. However, as they approached the CM who tells you which number to stand on, this man starts shouting at this family and somebody shouted racial epiphets, which is always great for children to hear.

So, that's when the shoving started and the CM hustled the line cutters onto cars, to prevent a fight. The man who confronted the line cutters said something to the CM and she just shrugged her shoulders.

I certainly don't expect CMs to get in the fray and she did the right thing to diffuse a situation, but I wonder how many other people saw that line cutting is a low risk/high reward activity?

And I have definitely seen an increase in the past 3-4 years.

Terra
07-21-2011, 07:35 PM
Yep we have been with our young nieces several times and if we are in line and they needed to go we jumped out of line and just started over. It stunk but we explained to them before we got in line that if they needed to go we would have to start over so if they needed to go they better do it now. I know my point of view is going to be unpopular. Just like in life you don't take short cuts.:mickey:
I assure you having nieces is a lot different than having your own children [not just on this issue but many issues] ;)

I see you live in Florida and have said you are an AP holder. I think there is a difference in experiences between someone popping in on a whim for a visit, versus someone who spends one week a year at WDW.

I would probably be blase about line cutter as well if I could go to WDW whenever I wanted (lucky you :) ).
I do have a seasonal pass, not an AP. I wish! :) But don't assume I get to go whenever ;) I wish again!! he he. I live about 45 minutes away. While we are a dual income family, our income is still very budgeted and limited. We make it about every 1.5 months between Sept through May. Depending on gas budget, if we have the extra for parking, etc. Thankfully we CAN bring in our own food.

So I don't think it's necessarily about that [for me anyway]. Even when I have visited other places in the past, I just didn't let it bother me. But I realize everyone is different.

Oh to be able to go every weekend though. That would be bliss!!!:mickey:

texas211
07-21-2011, 09:47 PM
Just curious. Do you have children or children with special needs? If you do, do you always just "start over" if they have to go to the bathroom?

Yes, as kids aren't a pass to do what you want. Like if junior starts crying at restaurant, time to go. Others don't go out to eat to hear the crying.

Also, i've had line cutters, loud folks at the resorts, etc. You confront them, and they want to stand their ground, well, sometimes, there aren't many options but... Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself.

Terra
07-21-2011, 10:45 PM
Yes, as kids aren't a pass to do what you want. Like if junior starts crying at restaurant, time to go. Others don't go out to eat to hear the crying.

Also, i've had line cutters, loud folks at the resorts, etc. You confront them, and they want to stand their ground, well, sometimes, there aren't many options but... Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself.

I'm not saying I think it's right for sure all the time. But I try to be understanding and take the higher ground personally. I just let them pass, like a previous poster said, it only adds another minute at most to my time.

As for kids crying in a restaurant. You probably wouldn't like being with my family. We don't automatically leave. We try to work through it as a family. And while people may judge and have judged my crying child and my parenting skills, what they don't see "behind the scenes" is an SPD/developmentally delayed child who has quite a time understanding his own self, let alone the world around him. So there can be more to the story in any given situation.

lizzi6692
07-22-2011, 02:30 PM
IMO line cutting is always wrong. It has nothing to do with the amount of time you lose, its rude. I'm not going to let it ruin my vacation, but there is a middle ground between letting it completely stress me out and being a doormat. I'm not going to let people do whatever they want just because they think they're better than everyone else.



As for kids crying in a restaurant. You probably wouldn't like being with my family. We don't automatically leave. We try to work through it as a family. And while people may judge and have judged my crying child and my parenting skills, what they don't see "behind the scenes" is an SPD/developmentally delayed child who has quite a time understanding his own self, let alone the world around him. So there can be more to the story in any given situation.
My reaction to your post depends on knowing a little more. When you say you try to work through it do you mean for a few minutes or do you sit there for half an hour or more trying to calm him down? If that's the case than you are being rude. I understand that he has issues, but if you can't get him to calm down, maybe you should consider not taking him out to dinner or only taking him out to places where people should expect screaming children.

Terra
07-22-2011, 03:05 PM
IMO line cutting is always wrong. It has nothing to do with the amount of time you lose, its rude. I'm not going to let it ruin my vacation, but there is a middle ground between letting it completely stress me out and being a doormat. I'm not going to let people do whatever they want just because they think they're better than everyone else.


My reaction to your post depends on knowing a little more. When you say you try to work through it do you mean for a few minutes or do you sit there for half an hour or more trying to calm him down? If that's the case than you are being rude. I understand that he has issues, but if you can't get him to calm down, maybe you should consider not taking him out to dinner or only taking him out to places where people should expect screaming children.

Welcome to Intercot! :mickey: How did you hear about us :)

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me what others think or how "rude" they think I'm being. If it's beyond 4-5 minutes, we talk a walk outside then come back when he's calm. I refuse for my child to live a shut-in life or only go to "certain" places because people think he should only go to those places just because he has special needs. While I understand when people say "I don't go out to eat to hear children cry"...I *could* easily be just as harsh and say then don't go to a place that has high chairs and boosts "family restaurant." More than anything, I'm saddened most by people's lack of understand and compassion for their fellow human being.

And while everyone is different, unless one has a special needs child it's truly hard to understand.

JWB3
07-22-2011, 03:17 PM
Enough already!! Would some moderator PLEASE lock this thread down?

And now let's all get back to thinking about what a great place WDW is! :mickey:

Terra
07-22-2011, 03:24 PM
Enough already!! Would some moderator PLEASE lock this thread down?

And now let's all get back to thinking about what a great place WDW is! :mickey:

I hear that! Speaking of, I'm sad I didn't get to ride Toy Story Mania when I was there last! The wait was 2 hours and FP were out by 10am! My boys were even sadder! :mickey:

lizzi6692
07-22-2011, 05:41 PM
Welcome to Intercot! :mickey: How did you hear about us :)

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me what others think or how "rude" they think I'm being. If it's beyond 4-5 minutes, we talk a walk outside then come back when he's calm. I refuse for my child to live a shut-in life or only go to "certain" places because people think he should only go to those places just because he has special needs. While I understand when people say "I don't go out to eat to hear children cry"...I *could* easily be just as harsh and say then don't go to a place that has high chairs and boosts "family restaurant." More than anything, I'm saddened most by people's lack of understand and compassion for their fellow human being.

And while everyone is different, unless one has a special needs child it's truly hard to understand.

Thanks for the welcome :). I found intercot when I was googling for Disney forums.

I understand what you're saying, but at the same time, when I go out to a restaurant, I'm not just paying for the food. If I wanted good food I could just as easily stay home and cook. I'm paying for the atmosphere and I would rather that atmosphere not include screaming children.

smsp
07-22-2011, 05:49 PM
IMO line cutting is always wrong. It has nothing to do with the amount of time you lose, its rude. I'm not going to let it ruin my vacation, but there is a middle ground between letting it completely stress me out and being a doormat. I'm not going to let people do whatever they want just because they think they're better than everyone else.


My reaction to your post depends on knowing a little more. When you say you try to work through it do you mean for a few minutes or do you sit there for half an hour or more trying to calm him down? If that's the case than you are being rude. I understand that he has issues, but if you can't get him to calm down, maybe you should consider not taking him out to dinner or only taking him out to places where people should expect screaming children.

Wow, magic or no magic, you might want to become familiar with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

I see now reason to shut this thread down, if one doesnt want to participate, then dont. It has not gotten to that point yet IMO.

I am amazed at the passiveness of most of the folks here, I am really surprised. I will handle line cutting on a case by case basis. I too, am a wide framed individual, I was use tactful methods in handling line cutters. No, it will not ruin my magic or my experience. In fact, I would feel it would dampen my expereince if i didnt intervene or act or do something. IMO, it appears some are just "shepple people". Thats no not a part of me. Perhaps, I could have a t-shirt made up for every day of the weel that says something the affect, "Your Line Cutting Stops Here" on the back with a little asterik (*) for a footnote that may allow exceptions. Or, mayvbe like I mentioned before, I could become a line cutter since there is so much passiveness.

Anyway, just a little venting there, dont mind me, and yes, my mickey time will be just fine.

SMSP

texas211
07-22-2011, 05:53 PM
I hear that! Speaking of, I'm sad I didn't get to ride Toy Story Mania when I was there last! The wait was 2 hours and FP were out by 10am! My boys were even sadder! :mickey:

Same thing to us. We bit the bullet and waited. I was going to beat myself w/ an oversized checker if i had to listen to potatohead any longer.

Terra
07-22-2011, 06:22 PM
Same thing to us. We bit the bullet and waited. I was going to beat myself w/ an oversized checker if i had to listen to potatohead any longer.

:haha: You totally deserve a medal. I looked at my boys [3 and 4] and said NO WAY! They would have beating me with an oversized checker! Next time I know though. I'm getting there before it opens and racing over!

big blue and hairy
07-23-2011, 05:43 PM
Welcome to Intercot! :mickey: How did you hear about us :)

In the end, it doesn't really matter to me what others think or how "rude" they think I'm being. If it's beyond 4-5 minutes, we talk a walk outside then come back when he's calm. I refuse for my child to live a shut-in life or only go to "certain" places because people think he should only go to those places just because he has special needs. I agree, that is perfect. The problem comes when people are not as consciencious (sp) as you and let it go on, and on. Kids have bad days, special needs or not. If you can't calm them at the table and you take them outside, that's just right in my opinion.

:sulley:

MrPeetrie
07-24-2011, 08:02 AM
I have a story for you from 2000.

It was the year of the Millenium Dreamers. Does anyone remember that group? Anyway, these were well-deserving high school students who earned a vacation at WDW for the Millenium. Unfortunately, they also wreaked havoc on the lines.

We would be walking toward a ride that had a short wait time -- say 15 minutes. Then, the docent would arrive just ahead of us, holding up a flag that signaled "Gather here!" Suddenly, 40 high school kids, wearing matching t-shirts, would rush to the docent ahead of us. A 15-minute wait just went to 25-30 with a bunch of over-enthusiastic high school kids in front of us. And it seemed they were on the same schedule as us.

First, it happened at the Magic Kingdom on several rides. The next day, it happened to us at Disney-MGM. Finally, we called customer service to find out what parks the Millenium Dreamers were going to be in for that day. Then, we avoided that park. We changed ADRs and everything.

It's not that they were rude, or anything like that. It's that they were very excited kids and a large bunch of them. And it seemed that everytime we were about to get into a short line to get on an attraction, the docent would beat us, hold up that little flag, and a large group would "flood in" ahead of us. It's funny now, but after two days of that, my wife had had enough.

Each time we see a group of young kids, rushing to an attraction today, we still say, "Probably Millenium Dreamers."

Melanie
07-24-2011, 08:21 AM
As this is resurrected from 2008 to begin with, with possibly every scenario played out and we're having a bit of a problem staying on topic, I'm going to close this thread.

Let's get back to planning those Disney vacations. :mickey: