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DisneyJunkie
07-18-2007, 06:35 PM
I just saw this blurb over on Fox News:

ORLANDO, Fla. — Cutting in line at the Magic Kingdom landed one visitor in jail.

Police said Victoria Walker accused another visitor of cutting the line for the "Mad Tea Party" ride. Reports said she punched Aimee Krause a few times in the head before the two could be separated.

Krause said she's had seizures, memory loss and blurred vision since the May attack.

Walker was allowed to return to her Alabama home, but a judge later issued a warrant for her arrest after hearing of the severity of the injuries.

She was taken to the Orange County Jail where she bonded out of yesterday.

SBETigg
07-18-2007, 06:57 PM
Wow, that's so awful to over-react like that, in a family theme park? Anger management issues, maybe? And for the Teacups? Such a fast-loading ride, why bother?

Christine
07-18-2007, 07:12 PM
Holy smokes! I think what really blew me away about this is that it was two ladies!!!

Shameful!

mttafire
07-18-2007, 07:17 PM
Well, At least she wont be cutting in line anymore...:thedolls: Trust me, I dont condone a good beating for line jumping....But i understand it.:blush:

WDWfanatic742
07-18-2007, 07:20 PM
Hmm, wasn't there another fight between two women a few month's ago at the Mad Tea Party? Or is this the same story just updated?

JWDisneyFan
07-18-2007, 07:25 PM
It's really sad to hear the people would actually fight over something this silly. I would have been upset if my kids had seen something like this. It makes me sick to know that adults would do this with all of the youngsters around!

SBETigg
07-18-2007, 07:26 PM
Hmm, wasn't there another fight between two women a few month's ago at the Mad Tea Party? Or is this the same story just updated?

The article states that it was a May attack, so I think it's the same one. Slow news day at Fox?

cheshirecollector
07-18-2007, 07:42 PM
Well, At least she wont be cutting in line anymore... Trust me, I dont condone a good beating for line jumping....But i understand it.

She accused the other woman of cutting, but we don't know if she actually did cut. I was once accused of cutting in line for something, which I didn't, though I understand why the other person thought I did.

mttafire
07-18-2007, 07:51 PM
She accused the other woman of cutting, but we don't know if she actually did cut. I was once accused of cutting in line for something, which I didn't, though I understand why the other person thought I did.

Good point, I guess the only ones who know exactly what happened are the folks that were there.

T-Belle
07-18-2007, 07:54 PM
Good Grief!!!:shake:

Horizon93
07-18-2007, 08:02 PM
First, there is no excuse for this type if behavior anywhere let alone at WDW. Very sad.

ghost999
07-18-2007, 08:09 PM
oh come on! how long was the line. she really over reacted and should've just calmed down and politely asked her to go back and let her tell her story (can't we all just get along) PEACE :mickey:

Sunshine1010
07-18-2007, 08:11 PM
We'll never know the 'exact' details of it all...and what led up to the event....BUT...

NO ONE should hit ANYONE for ANYTHING.

We've all been there. You know...angry at someone for cutting line. But my mama taught me something: ".....choose your battles in life. choose what you stress over. choose to smile"

......I suppose cutting in line was worth it to whoever threw the first punch.

I don't care who threw the first punch: the lady who cut, or the lady who got cut. Inexcusable.

Schools have 0 tolerance policies for this stuff. Too bad the parents couldn't control their anger.

What makes me mad is that children saw this.

MinnieMommie
07-18-2007, 08:45 PM
Wow! I know Disney is not Utopia but I never expect this type of behavior there. :(

DreamFinder2
07-18-2007, 09:16 PM
Ummmm.....everyone seems to be overlooking the obvious here.

It is called the MAD Tea Party?!?!?!?

What do they expect?



Just kidding :thumbsup:, of course.

Remzlightyear
07-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Really, the tea cups aren't worth fighting for. CoP, maybe. But not tea cups.:secret:

Sunshine1010
07-19-2007, 12:48 AM
......I'm sure they are regretting all of this.

DisneyJunkie
07-19-2007, 06:34 AM
It's just like with profanity. Neither violence or profanity have any place in decent society.....yet it's everywhere.

luvdiznee
07-19-2007, 08:15 AM
I pretty much agree with what's already been stated, that no matter what the reason hitting someone is never allowed. As well as no one even knows what really happened. So now for the one arrested or whatever happened to her, her kids, as well as she will be taught this lesson as to why you don't hit other people. And I'm not surprised it was two women, either. SO SAD! Hope this is not what it is coming to. :( O/T...What a post for my 1000th post.

Polynesian Dweller
07-19-2007, 09:43 AM
What's stated at the bottom of the Orlando Sentinel article is that Walker had a previous assault arrest in Albama.

Two things for me.

1. Having been employed in the criminal justice system for 18 years, there are bad women just like there are bad men and lots more than people think. So no surprise at all that it was women involved.

2. Yet another example that WDW is just another place in the world. Anything that happens in the 'real' world has the potential of happening there. You have to keep you safety radar on even when you are on vacation.

Buttercup
07-19-2007, 09:58 AM
I've posted about this before...
The same thing happened to me. A teenage girl cut in front of my group on the Tomorrowland Speedway. Everyone in her group was really foul-mouthed too. Anyway, when people started to complain about their behavior to CM's, the girl took it out on me and punched me a couple times in the side of the head!
Security came and only separated them in line from us... I wish they had gotten kicked out immediately but the park was closing anyway...

Crow
07-19-2007, 10:52 AM
:( thats stupid...
and i agree that things can happen there just like the "real world"
the baby in the sun story reflects similar stories at the same time from this area.
and the "gang" stuff at DD etc
no place is really safe .
i hope it gets straightened out and they get the proper sentence.

Disney Yankee
07-19-2007, 11:46 AM
Well, At least she wont be cutting in line anymore...:thedolls: Trust me, I dont condone a good beating for line jumping....But i understand it.:blush:

Are we even sure the woman who got punched really cut the line? :confused:

beksy
07-19-2007, 11:51 AM
First, there is no excuse for this type if behavior anywhere let alone at WDW. Very sad.

Agreed! What really surprises me is that it was the Mad Tea Party. I could see it more if it was one of the mountains with the longer wait times and that adults would tend to gravitate towards more but still totally uncalled for. :(

brownie
07-19-2007, 04:05 PM
An article posted on another site says the woman became upset after another woman and her children were allowed ahead of her on the Tea Cups. That would indicate to me that there was no cutting, and there was probably a reason for it to happen. Here's the article:

Woman Accused Of Choking, Beating Disney Rider Over Place In Line
Local 6
7/19/2007

A 52-year-old Alabama woman was arrested on suspicion she beat and choked a woman who was allowed ahead of her while waiting to board a tea cup ride at Walt Disney World, according to authorities.
Witnesses said Victoria Walker became enraged after the victim and her children were allowed ahead of her at the "Mad Tea Party' ride in May.

Walker was questioned after the incident and allowed to return to her Alabama home.

However, when a judge noticed how severe the victim's injuries were, he signed an arrest warrant for Walker.

It took deputies nearly two months to catch up with the woman but she was picked up on a warrant in Alabama and transported back to Orange County.

She bonded out of jail Tuesday.

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No matter what the situation, it still was a highly inappropriate response.

murphy1
07-19-2007, 04:16 PM
I have grown up going there and seen more and more things happening. People seem to think they can curse and act violent sometimes, even at the Happiest Place. It's sad. And it's worse it happened in Fantasyland. Glad I wasn't right there.

5 Mousekteers
07-19-2007, 10:44 PM
Here's another link from an Orlando newspaper with the full story.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/tourism/orl-mteacups1907jul19,0,6273369.story?coll=orl_tab01_l ayout

This women really flipped out. We experienced some line jumpers last year on Space Mountain. We had been in line for approximately 60 min with our 3 boys when a group of teens tried jumping in between them and us. They tried saying they were there the whole time. When I said something to them about it they began cussing and acting like animals. Cast members at first were of no assistance at first until I identified my self as a police officer. They were then removed from the line and escorted off the ride, to the cheers of everyone they had jumped in front of by running down the fast pass lane.

LilHooligan74
07-19-2007, 10:59 PM
Police said Victoria Walker accused another visitor of cutting the line for the "Mad Tea Party" ride. Reports said she punched Aimee Krause a few times in the head before the two could be separated.

Krause said she's had seizures, memory loss and blurred vision since the May attack.

I wonder how Miss Walker feels about working the rest of her life for Miss Krause.:blowup:
Growing up an Angry teenager I know know how it feels, but that does not condone what was done. CMs are there for a reason let them do their job. WDW is not the place for vigilante justice, especially in front of children:down:

Sean Riley Taylor's Mom
07-19-2007, 11:49 PM
:( Unbelievable

Tekneek
07-20-2007, 06:18 AM
It is a simple matter of respect. People wait too long at WDW for rides/attractions to have somebody queue-jumping. Physical assault is not the way to resolve the issue, but when you see people breaking the rules and gaining an advantage from it without any consequences, a more primitive reaction can take over.

Tekneek
07-20-2007, 06:19 AM
I wonder how Miss Walker feels about working the rest of her life for Miss Krause.:blowup:

Having sued other people for their acts against me, I doubt anybody will be working for a lifetime for the other person. Situations between private citizens often end up being resolved for far less than you might expect, or even if a huge monetary award is ever granted they find it very difficult to collect much of it.

Florida Dreamer
07-20-2007, 10:51 AM
Unfortunately even Disney Magic can't erase the selfishness and lack of respect that has begun to take a major hold on our world. We all need to relax, enjoy ourselves. and appreciate our world. Let's not let a few examples negate the euphoric feeling that Disney can bring!

Bethis26fan
07-20-2007, 10:55 AM
wow that's sad. I feel sorry for the poor kids who were in line around them.

lauralemm
07-20-2007, 11:09 AM
.... Cast members at first were of no assistance at first....

At first when I read that I was startled and thought: They REALLY need to get the CMs to handle these things more aggressively, but then... I was a waitress once and had been told to NEVER follow people out who were walking out on their check. We had a real problem with it, and one night I had three tables do it in a row. I followed that last one out, and got punched in the face and thrown down steps for it.

I bet Disney has managers who are losing sleep over how to enforce more civility from guests while protecting their employees...

CleveSJM
07-20-2007, 01:17 PM
At first when I read that I was startled and thought: They REALLY need to get the CMs to handle these things more aggressively, but then... I was a waitress once and had been told to NEVER follow people out who were walking out on their check. We had a real problem with it, and one night I had three tables do it in a row. I followed that last one out, and got punched in the face and thrown down steps for it.

I bet Disney has managers who are losing sleep over how to enforce more civility from guests while protecting their employees...

It would be great if each queue, or problem queue, could be monitored with video. Or have a CM with a video camera available to assist. In the example above about teens jumping into SM and acting like animals, it is amazing how they might behave knowing they were being videotaped. Ever see the studies done before and after video taping starts on school buses?

Let the punks know they are being taped and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and I think it would help. CM's with a camera, not even really saying anything, could reduce a lot of bad behaviour.

Just my couple pennies...

dolphinmickey9170
07-20-2007, 01:59 PM
It isn't just the fact that they had a fight in the middle of the "Magic", but the woman that was attacked now has permanent psychological and physical problems. PTSD, a bulging cervical spine disc, neurological issues causing seizures. The woman from Alabama needs to spend some time in jail and she should be made to pay restitution to the other woman for medical expenses etc. And I also hope she has been banned from returning to WDW.

My question is, can they block her fingerprints from the turnstiles? When she tries to enter, lights bells and whistles go off and she is refused enterence?

magicofdisney
07-20-2007, 09:18 PM
My question is, can they block her fingerprints from the turnstiles? When she tries to enter, lights bells and whistles go off and she is refused enterence?
Nope. Not if they're doing what they're supposed to and that's a biometric scan, not fingerprinting.

PAYROLL PRINCESS
07-20-2007, 11:30 PM
I think that this reaction was extremely excessive. And it's definitely not a good example for impressionable young kids. I can understand how it could happen though. You are hot and tired and cranky, but this was too much.

Tekneek
07-21-2007, 09:17 AM
The woman from Alabama needs to spend some time in jail and she should be made to pay restitution to the other woman for medical expenses etc.

Spending time in jail is certainly a possibility. Restitution? Unlikely 100% of the bills and lost opportunity/wages will ever be paid. My stepfather was running his own business and having a good life. Somebody ran a red light talking on a cellphone (and driving a company vehicle while on the clock) and now he is on permanent disability because he will never be able to work again (may not ever walk again). The $1 million they may get won't even cover the medical bills from the first month after the accident. Judgments against the man will essentially go uncollected because he has no assets to give up. My stepfather was doing nothing wrong and will pay for it for the rest of his life.

The story is that people with very little can get away with a whole lot and make you pay for it under the US system of things.

Nevergrowup
07-22-2007, 07:07 PM
That just makes me sad.

Why have people lost their manners.

NotaGeek
07-22-2007, 07:43 PM
Holy smokes! I think what really blew me away about this is that it was two ladies!!!

Shameful!
Uh, something tells me the one doing the hitting might be female, but wouldn't be considered a "lady".

ImagiAsh
07-23-2007, 11:15 AM
Talk about an overreaction. :shake:

crazypoohbear
07-25-2007, 12:17 AM
If she did this because she "thought" someone was cutting the line can you imagine what she would do if someone really did something to her or her family. OMG. Time for a cool refreshing break perhaps???!!!

goofy4mickey
07-25-2007, 01:17 AM
I'd like this clarified if anyone has the info - I read somewhere that the line cutting lady didn't really cut in line - they were in that little corral and a CM told everyone (or her) to fill in all available space - they were in an area where everyone is getting on the next ride, and the fill in all available space is pretty common at WDW.

I am a little wary of how the victim (or her lawyers ) are phrasing it all - sounds like a set up for suing Disney,

Kim

crazeedizneefinatic
07-26-2007, 04:57 PM
It's never been addressed but maybe the person who punched the "supposed" line cutter said something to her and the "supposed" line cutter got nasty with her first. Still not a reason for violence but if this person just started hitting without talking she has more issues than anger. Very scary.

It has happened to me plenty at WDW and other places. Although I choose to handle it without violence. I do say something to the person cutting in line. Something simple like "excuse me, maybe you did not notice but we where here first". Usually it embarrasses the people to step back and sometimes not. If they don't step back you can tell what kind of character they have especially cutting in front of children who have been waiting patiently. I have to agree with another posts that said about Disney telling people to fill in. I hate that with a passion. Everyone just pushing and shoving. It's very easy to get cut in front of or cut someone off yourself. I hate waits like that.

sonayo74
07-27-2007, 03:23 PM
the woman that was attacked now has permanent psychological and physical problems. PTSD, a bulging cervical spine disc, neurological issues causing seizures.
All that from a few punches in the head? :confused: I'm not a doctor, but that sounds like a bit much, unless she had physical problems which were exacerbated by the punches.

mttafire
07-27-2007, 04:14 PM
All that from a few punches in the head? :confused: I'm not a doctor, but that sounds like a bit much, unless she had physical problems which were exacerbated by the punches.

Agreed 100%...This is nothing more than "lawsuit" material.

KevGuy
07-31-2007, 01:59 PM
I think her lawsuit is as phony as a 3 dollar bill!! But then again I used to say that about 2 dollar bills then they became true ahahaha!!:mickey:

CuteAsMinnie
08-01-2007, 08:15 PM
WOW I think people in the world just need to chill!

Wolf
08-02-2007, 12:33 AM
What's stated at the bottom of the Orlando Sentinel article is that Walker had a previous assault arrest in Albama.

Two things for me.

1. Having been employed in the criminal justice system for 18 years, there are bad women just like there are bad men and lots more than people think. So no surprise at all that it was women involved.

2. Yet another example that WDW is just another place in the world. Anything that happens in the 'real' world has the potential of happening there. You have to keep you safety radar on even when you are on vacation.

Spoken like a true CRJ major. You make me proud to be minoring in CRJ with a degree in History. :thumbsup: I agree, and this is coming from someone in Alabama. Dont think we are all crazy. I love disney. I would never chance getting thrown out. It is aggravating but you gotta think bout the others too. You cant take that from your kids cause your ticked off. People just dont see it that way I guess...Sad.

jjramsey
08-02-2007, 12:21 PM
Hope this does not become a trend and get it's own tag of 'Line Rage.'

We were at Busch Gardens Europe recently and they had multiple signs in the lines for rides that were large and spelled out in no uncertain terms that cutting in line could result in immediate expulsion from the park with no refund.

The previous post about security cameras has lots of merit.

wizardmickey
08-05-2007, 02:17 AM
Not to even defend these people or their actions, but;

...they were in that little corral and a CM told everyone (or her) to fill in all available space - they were in an area where everyone is getting on the next ride, and the fill in all available space is pretty common at WDW...
They were at The Mad Tea Party Ride (Tea-Cups?) I don't think there is a corral area there, just a line. It's been since '06 since I've ridden it, but I only remember a line within a fenced in/gate-like area. Usually the whole "fill in all available space" spiel is for attractions where they're counting off bodies to enter the attraction (i.e. Rock-n-Roller Coaster).

All that from a few punches in the head? I'm not a doctor, but that sounds like a bit much...
I'm not a doctor either, but a therapist at a psychiatric facility, and in my patient groups I do see a lot of clients with TBI's (brought on by beatings to the head amongst other things.) Siezures are a common after effect of TBI's, but usually the beating has to be fairly severe, at least to the extent of losing consciousness. I've seen nothing to this reported, so it could be exhagerated symptoms or (as was stated) a previous underlying condition.
Either way, this is such a sad statement of our society that something like this had to even happen at a place like WDW.

trackbarroness
08-05-2007, 06:18 AM
Not to even defend these people or their actions, but;

They were at The Mad Tea Party Ride (Tea-Cups?) I don't think there is a corral area there, just a line. It's been since '06 since I've ridden it, but I only remember a line within a fenced in/gate-like area. Usually the whole "fill in all available space" spiel is for attractions where they're counting off bodies to enter the attraction (i.e. Rock-n-Roller Coaster).

I'm not a doctor either, but a therapist at a psychiatric facility, and in my patient groups I do see a lot of clients with TBI's (brought on by beatings to the head amongst other things.) Siezures are a common after effect of TBI's, but usually the beating has to be fairly severe, at least to the extent of losing consciousness. I've seen nothing to this reported, so it could be exhagerated symptoms or (as was stated) a previous underlying condition.
Either way, this is such a sad statement of our society that something like this had to even happen at a place like WDW.


Ice dude there is a little corral there at the tea cups and the CM's there do tell people to fill all available space. Me thinks these to could have used a time out.
T.T.F.N.

brownie
08-24-2007, 10:20 AM
Witnesses wanted in scuffle at Walt Disney World Mad Tea Party ride

April Hunt | Sentinel Staff Writer
August 23, 2007

Orange County Sheriff's investigators are interested in finding more witnesses to an attack at the teacup ride at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom earlier this year.

Victoria Walker, 51, faces felony battery charges for allegedly attacking Aimee Krause of Clermont because she thought the other woman had skipped her place in line for the Mad Tea Party on May 27. Krause, then 34, was jumped from behind and suffered serious injury to her head and neck.

Walker, who lives in Anniston, Ala., is scheduled to go on trial on Oct. 29. She had pleaded not guilty in the case.

Deputies found several witnesses to the attack in the days following the attack. However, with additional media attention, they are interested in interviewing anyone else who saw the scuffle.

Witnesses are asked to call 407-939-3200 and ask for Detective Kelly Boaz.

steamboat willy
08-26-2007, 08:42 AM
Gaursh :goofy:

#1donaldfan
08-29-2007, 12:17 PM
Really what is line cutting coming to?? If you just blantely jump in front of someone, that's line cutting, no question. If you have some family in line, you have to go to the restroom or something very similar, and return that is NOT line cutting.....not in any way shape or form......especially if the line is 40 / 50 minutes.....some personal things may need attended to that cannot wait.......and getting out of line after waiting 30 min or so, then going to the back of the line....that's just crazy....what if your family is waiting at a table at a counter service, you order your food, find out your DW /DH has the money...are you going to retrieve the money and start over??????

LauraF
08-29-2007, 03:10 PM
what if your family is waiting at a table at a counter service, you order your food, find out your DW /DH has the money...are you going to retrieve the money and start over??????
You betcha.
I might not like it, but it's what I'd do.
(As I see it it's my own fault for forgetting the money in the first place.)

Jessie
08-29-2007, 05:02 PM
I must just be very non-confrontational or something because even if I saw someone cutting in line, I probably wouldn't say anything. I mean, sure it would annoy me, but the stress of a possible confrontation and then having to sit in line a few feet from that person just wouldn't be worth it. Most of the time I'm just inline with family and friends so I figure just a few more minutes of talking to them.

Now, if it was a problem and I saw it happening many times in front of me with different people, at that time I'd bring it up to the CM.

Sounds like the woman exhibited bad judgment on a probably busy, stressful and tiring day.

KevGuy
08-30-2007, 12:25 AM
Disney should post signs up in the queue area s that say, "Line cutting may be hazardous to your health!"

The Bookseller
08-30-2007, 12:39 AM
When I read such awful news, I keep remembering myself that those guests represent only 1% (or even less) of the guests on site.

Those "ONEers" are the ones we keep remembering. We remember the line cutters, the abusive "Guests" or those who drive an ECV for fun. Let's keep in mind that WDW is a "Good People" magnet and that wonderful acts of kindness rarely get reported.

katzctkpt
08-30-2007, 12:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by #1donaldfan
what if your family is waiting at a table at a counter service, you order your food, find out your DW /DH has the money...are you going to retrieve the money and start over??????
Quote:
Originally Posted by LauraF
You betcha.
I might not like it, but it's what I'd do.
(As I see it it's my own fault for forgetting the money in the first place.)
__________________
I agree with both. If I already ordered and the CM was waiting to be paid then I'd run and get the $$. But, if I checked before I ordered to be sure I had $$ and didn't then I'd go to the back of the line and start over.